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Me#1You#10
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| BuffaloJack wrote: | | It will be interesting to see what the Hawaiian court says tomorrow. |
Let me hazard a guess...
| Quote: | | In Hawai'i, birth, death, marriage and certain divorce documents can only be released to people with a "tangible interest," such as the people themselves, their parents, spouses, grandparents or other relatives. |
Judge: Mr. Martin, I can safely assume you are not Mr. Obama himself, can I not?
Plaintiff: You can, your honor.
Judge: Are you Mr. Obama's father?
Plaintiff: No, your honor.
Judge: Surely not Mr. Obama's wife?
Plaintiff: Um...no, your honor.
Judge: A grandparent of Mr. Obama? An aunt? An uncle? A brother? A cousin?
Plaintiff: No, your honor. I'm not related to Mr. Obama in any fashion.
Judge: Mr. Martin, under what "tangible" interest, as defined by Hawaii statute and Hawaiian judicial precedent, do you assert your right for access to the document in question?
Plaintiff: I am a concerned citizen of these United States your honor.
Judge: Case closed. This Court is adjourned. Bailiff, I'll have lunch in chambers please. |
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In Hawai'i, birth, death, marriage and certain divorce documents can only be released to people with a "tangible interest," such as the people themselves, their parents, spouses, grandparents or other relatives. |
...the key may be how the court interprets the operable phrase "such as"...the law doesn't say "but limited to".....but I think we all know how far that will get the plaintiffs.... |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| TEWSPilot wrote: | | Quote: | | In Hawai'i, birth, death, marriage and certain divorce documents can only be released to people with a "tangible interest," such as the people themselves, their parents, spouses, grandparents or other relatives. |
...the key may be how the court interprets the operable phrase "such as"...the law doesn't say "but limited to".....but I think we all know how far that will get the plaintiffs.... |
If the American people do not have a tangible interest in the qualifications of their President, who does?
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dcornutt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| I thought there was supposed to be a decision on this today? |
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BuffaloJack
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I thought that the Hawaiian courts were supposed to do this today. Something tells me that this will be another case of "Pay no attention to than man in the corner".
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Where's the birth certificate?
Posted: November 17, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
Incredibly, we are just nine weeks away from inaugurating the next president of the United States and millions of Americans still have citizenship eligibility questions that have never been addressed by Barack Obama and his entourage.
All that Barack Obama would have to do to put this issue to rest is to release his complete birth certificate, revealing where he was born and who were his parents.
It seems a simple thing.
Personally, I doubt the Democratic Party would be so stupid as to run an ineligible candidate for president of the United States. I doubt Hillary Clinton would have accepted defeat at the hands of a candidate ineligible for the job.
So it would seem Obama is simply thumbing his nose at the Constitution and the concerns of millions of American people. After all, he has made it clear the Constitution doesn't mean what it says anyway. It's all a matter of opinion.
Maybe his intransigence on this seemingly ridiculous matter is just his way of showing he will, as president, consider himself above the Constitution. I don't know any other way to interpret his behavior, do you?
Until last week, no one in the Obama camp would even comment on the controversy surrounding his complete birth certificate, which has never been released publicly. That changed after much hounding by WND staffers who managed to get one official Obama representative to proclaim – anonymously, I might add – that seven lawsuits filed by citizens trying to secure the birth certificate are "pure garbage."
Obama's record of non-cooperation and secrecy has now resulted in conspiracy theories that will plague him throughout his administration if he doesn't address them now with utter transparence. Do I expect him to do so? No, I don't.
He not only thinks those lawsuits are "garbage," evidently that's also what he thinks of the people who truly believe the Constitution means what it says and those who believe there ought to be some controlling legal authority determining Obama's eligibility for the highest office in the land before he is sworn in Jan. 20.
Count me among those who really want to see that birth certificate now.
Imagine the level of secrecy we can expect from an Obama administration that guards his birth certificate with such tenacity.
I'm calling on Barack Obama today to release the entire birth certificate. And just so there is no mistake about what I am calling for, I want the part of the birth certificate that shows which hospital he was born in and who his parents were. That is the only way to establish if he is truly a natural-born citizen. Further, I am asking as a journalist and pundit that if there is any government agency or government official anywhere on the planet who has inspected the birth certificate and can provide those details to the American people, the time to do so is now.
I'm also calling on all my colleagues, from coast to coast and around the world, not to let this matter drop. Apparently it is a point of real sensitivity with Obama people. Good. Let's rub it in. Let's demand he produce the birth certificate at every turn – at every press conference, at every appearance, on every talk show.
Could anything be more important than enforcing the requirements of our Constitution?
This is hardly a laughing matter. The longer this soap opera drags on, the more suspicions it will raise – the less credibility our electoral system will have, the more many people will believe the whole political system is rigged.
Whom does that benefit?
I honestly can't imagine.
What possible motivation could Obama have for not producing this simple, innocuous document that every citizen must produce to get a passport, driver's license or Social Security card?
Are you curious?
So am I.
Where's the birth certificate, Sen. Obama? |
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Me#1You#10
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At least SOMEONE is starting to ask, though I don't know what to make of "I think we're in good shape on that"... 
| Quote: | WND AT THE WHITE HOUSE
We're in 'good shape' over Obama's birthplace
Presidential spokeswoman suggests there's no controversy
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Posted: November 18, 2008
10:27 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
President Bush doesn't have a significant level of concern over allegations, including those pending before the U.S. Supreme Court, that Barack Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be commander in chief in the United States.
"Does the White House believe there is no question at all about the birthplace, and thus the required U.S. citizenship of the president-elect?" Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, asked at a news briefing today.
"I think we're in good shape on that," responded Dana Perino, the spokeswoman for the president.
World Net Daily - cont'd |
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TEWSPilot
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| I guess it all depends on who the "we" refers to. It reminds me of a scene in an old Steve McQueen movie. He said a guy jumped off a 10 story building, and as he passed each floor, people would ask, "How's it going?" The guy would just smile and say, "So far, so good." |
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zinfella
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| TEWSPilot wrote: | | I guess it all depends on who the "we" refers to. It reminds me of a scene in an old Steve McQueen movie. He said a guy jumped off a 10 story building, and as he passed each floor, people would ask, "How's it going?" The guy would just smile and say, "So far, so good." |
You have to understand Bush, he doesn't get involved in these things.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Does the "We" refer to Bush or the country? Inquiring minds want to know.
Still, the simplest way to clear this up is for Obama to just release his birth certifcate. Time to stop playing Kerry and hiding answers to simple questions.
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Me#1You#10
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I missed it yesterday but, up to a few minutes ago, Drudge had been linking to this now-updated story which made it into at least one NBC News affiliate...
| Quote: | Former Obama opponent now suing to prove President-elect's citizenship
By Rich Rogers and NBC Augusta Staff
Nov 18, 2008 at 9:52 AM EST
Story Updated: Nov 19, 2008 at 9:04 AM EST
SACRAMENTO, Calif.- A former opponent of Barack Obama's has come back to haunt him over questions regarding Obama's citizenship.
(Inset: Click here to see a copy of the writ)
According to a press release from the American Independent Party, former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and other members of the party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama until documentary evidence is provided to prove Obama is indeed a natural born citizen of the United States.
WAGT-TV NBC Augusta - cont'd |
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| Quote: | HOLY BUCKETS. SCOTUS WILL HEAR OBAMA CITIZENSHIP CASE.
Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case - Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey - US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 - for a conference of the nine Justices. The conference is a completely private affair and the public may not attend. If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled. The conference is scheduled for December 5, 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.
http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/holy-buckets-scotus-hear-obama |
Another false hope rumor?
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dcornutt
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Probably so. This whole issue has died 1,000 deaths already. |
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT?
This is getting to sound like a Marxist conspiracy.
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dcornutt
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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As far as I know...Harvard law professors don't issue constitutional amendments via pdf on the web. This would have to be introduced to the floor of congress and voted upon, passed, by both senate and house, and signed by the president (as well as being upheld by the courts to any legal challenges).
But, I do agree that this is just going further and further out in left field. |
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