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Theresa Alwood Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Florida
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: What about giving taxpayers a break if they buy a US car? |
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What is congress allowed anyone who bought a car from the big three and if they bought a new car between now and Dec 31st they would get a $10,000.00 credit on next years income tax. If they bought a car if the first 3 months of 2009 they would get $8,000.00 on 2009 taxes, the next quarter &6,000.00, the 3rd quarter $6,000.00 and the 4th quarter $4,000.00. In 2010 they would get a $2,000.00 tax credit.
Also if any UAW took a voluntarily pay cut they would work out a tax credit also so this way it would not be a bailout?
Just a thought...since congress can not seem to come up with a solution. The best way to sell a product is to offer more incentatives.
Would it help? Heck I don't know...but it sure would not hurt and would hurt us taxpayers less. _________________ Born to raise a little hell! |
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Nutso PO3
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 271 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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I can't agree with that because so many cars are now made here and personally the last couple of 'Big 3' vehicles I owned were crap. We are not bailing out the car companies - its the union that destroyed these companies and I am sorry but let them bail themselves out. A tax break for buying only union made products would be a wrong step in giving the unions even more power. |
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Uisguex Jack Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 613
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's a interesting idea but I agree with nutso. Let the unions fester in their own mess. I've been looking for the link and cant' find it but a few years back when 'Claritin' adds were all over the tube it ended up that about three hundred dollars cost of a new car was paying specifically for prescriptions for 'claritin' to cure breathing problems that were not diagnosed until after the invention of this new drug.
Screw em. They do a shoddy job of making crappy cars. Looks like Ford has the right idea by declining Gov't assistance. |
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GoophyDog PO1
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 480 Location: Washington - The Evergreen State
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm one of those who leans towards the "they dug the hole, let them figure out how to get out of it" types. All of the big three need to be allowed to create new business models and probably the only realistic way is through a restructuring under Chapter 11 or whatever it is for companies that large.
A tax incentive or other government intervention simply encourages the companies to continue along the same path as always and will only delays actions sorely needed to bring them back to a competitive level.
I don't believe the current problems can be laid solely at the feet of the UAW. The countless government imposed regulations are also to blame and until our mindset shifts from a nanny government to a facilitator government these types of problems will continue to crop up. _________________ Why ask? Because it needs asking. |
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Theresa Alwood Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Let me tell you a ture story. On the day I left to join the Air Force (November 4, 1979) as I was getting on the plane in Detroit my mother leaned over and whispered in my ear "You Dad lost his job yesterday; do not say anything because he does not want you to know". Imagine at 19 leaving home to head into basic training with that news....talked about a hard six weeks.
My Dad did not work for For automaker, what he did work for was a cardboard box factory that supplied boxes to parts and in 1979 was when the small import cars made their impact in the U.S. My dad never recovered finacially nor health wise. As he lost his health insurance and back then a 44 year old men were just not hired. My Dad had High Blood Pressure and at first started cutting his pills in half....he had enough to last him a a little while. My parents still at 5 kids they were supporting and 4 still living with them. My mother was on workman's comp due to an injury that happened while on work....and the company was fighting paying for it.
So slowly my parents lost everything. The house my father spent 3 years in buiding..he literally did the wiring, plumbing, everything from inside out the only two things he did not do was 1) have the basement poured; 2) had the carpet laid....everything else he did with the help of friends, kids and family. My parents owned the 10 acres they lived on but when my parents pleaded with the bank to let them to continue to pay what they had they were told no; they were foreclosed and they turned around and rented the house out for more than 1/2 of what my parents were paying. My parents lost EVERYTHING! They had to hire an auctioner to auction off my Grandmothr's brass bed; to everything that moved in the house. My parents had to ask my youngr brother of 20 to take my youngest brother of 16 to live with them. My little sister move in with her fiance; and they kept my youngest sister as she is mentally handicapped. They literally lost everything and moved into a small trailer that someone had given them.
My father did not belong to a Union. He was a hard working man who worked up to being the plant manager....My dad never complained and my Dad was one of those rare men who were very, very special....see my Dad was no my real father....he was my step-father and he married my Mom when I was 10. My mom had 8 yes EIGHT kids and he now had 6 girls and two more boys; my dad had 4 sons of his own. So image going from 4 to 12 without blinking an eye.
I miss my Dad. He died at the age of 54 due to an enlarged heart...see one of the side affects from not taking your High Blood Pressure medicine is an enlarged heart. He only got to hold his grandson one time in his life and his grandaugher never. I was 26 when my dad died and the last two years he was in alot of pain.
So it is just not the big car companies that struggle. Michigan's economy is dependant on the big 3!!!
I will (hopefully if they are still around) always buy an Ameican car....I have own my Chey Equinox and I love it, we have a older caddy and my husband loves his car, my daughter has a saturn and loves her car. My son loved his Saturn until it was totaled.
So when you want to punish the big 3 and actually I understand the Unions are really what caused these problems...you must realize that these type of business goes down....so does the state of Michigan. There is a reason their economy is hit hard and I do understand that part of it is their stupid Governor's fault....she is an outright idiot...but the good, hardworking people who do love and live in Michigan should not all be penalized due toe the union greed.
Some kind of compromise must be made in order for the bailouts. But to let the big 3 go down...just will throw Michigan down the tubes...and Mihigan is one of the most beautiful states to visit. _________________ Born to raise a little hell! |
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TEWSPilot Admiral
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1235 Location: Kansas (Transplanted Texan)
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Theresa, if they would scuttle this "Spend-ulous" bill and simply give everyone a real tax break, make the Bush tax cuts permanent and give us a 3 to 6 month tax holiday, the cost would actually be less, we wouldn't be adding a trillion dollars to the national debt, and the cash infusion into the economy would be instant. The private sector could solve all of these problems in a relative short period through normal market activity. A trillion dollars back in the hands of the people would be a true economic stimulus. By the way, my '91 Olds Cutlass Cierra is just a few miles short of 400,000. |
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1991932 Lance Corporal
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 381 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Theresa-
It looks like Congress and the UAW/Big 3 are listening to you.
The Senate has crafted an $11 billion tax break for new car buyers, although in keeping with their global constituency, it applies to any new car, not just those built in the USA. And with a 71-26 vote for passage, this idea could survive, no matter what happens to the Porkulus bill.
Also, the UAW, bowing to public pressure, has agreed to halt the idiotic practice of the Job Bank, at least with Chrysler and GM for now. Also, UAW members who take an early retirement buyout will get a $25000 new car voucher as part of the package.
So the ice jam is starting to break up in Michigan.
I agree with your Buy American sentiments. The last 6 vehicles we've purchased have been GM products. We've never bought a foreign car. There are just too many good American cars out there and it seems unpatriotic to buy from...well, I'll stop right there. But I wonder if our great-grandchildren will be buying cars from Al Qaeda Motors in 50 years?
From what you've told us, I'm certain that your Dad would be extremely upset at the Socialistic direction this country is taking. The State of Michigan and their Canadian governor are not setting a very good example.
I'll bet your Dad would've loved Rush! _________________ Former "War Criminal" |
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Nutso PO3
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 271 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: |
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So whats an American car? I drive Nissan which was built in the US. I also have a Chevy Cobalt which is built in Korea.
Michigan may need the big 3 but they have become so dependent on good jobs with no skills required that the people are becoming incompetent. I recently listened to a show about Detroit (don't remeber where now) and they were reporting that 47% of the adult population there is functionaly illiterate. Thats almost 1 out of 2 people who are not qualified to fill out an application at McDonalds, but we should pay more for less to keep them happy. |
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jmckay8497 Seaman Recruit
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 35 Location: Lake Orion, Mi
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: Michigan/Detroit |
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Quote: | I recently listened to a show about Detroit (don't remeber where now) and they were reporting that 47% of the adult population there is functionaly illiterate. Thats almost 1 out of 2 people who are not qualified to fill out an application at McDonalds, but we should pay more for less to keep them happy. |
Believe me we are paying a fortune for those 47% in Detroit, welfare, food stamps, ADC, Social Programs, SS Disability, and who knows how much in State and Federal Social Programs I don't even know about. You can buy a home in Detroit for less than a $1,000. May not want to spend the night, unless you are heavily armed.
Those unfortunates are not working, and probabaly never will.
And we will continue to pay the price, soon to be more if the Socialist Agenda is allowed to continue. _________________ Air Force Vet
Service in Thailand and Viet Nam
1968 and 1969 |
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USAFE5 PO2
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 362 Location: Reno Nevada
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: |
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This was a comment made by a caller to Rush's show. He then confirmed the stats after an obscene profit break. _________________ "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I’m here to help." Ronald Reagan |
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