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Carmen · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 2

Is there someone out there who can tell me why Senator John Kerry would have lied about veterans abusing there positions and killing innocent people, dogs cattle for fun or any other reason?
What did he have to gain by lying about this?

RStauch · Ensign Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 62

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

He had everything to gain, from his point of view.

The anti-war movement needed credibility with Mr. and Mrs. America who were, if not supportive of the war, apathetic.

In comes this Boston brahmin, so cultured, just back from the jungles to hear him speak... and he's saying that our fighting forces have turned into marauding vandals and murderers and rapists and criminals, en masse.

The story of My Lai in turn, lent his statements credibility.

The KGB propaganda-fed anti-war movement began to pull in not only fringe elements, but ordinary students, housewives, businessmen, etc.

That Congressional testimony earned him a LOT back then.

Doesn't seem to be doing him much good these days, when we are more sophisticated about how we were manipulated and misled during THAT war.

The anti-war movement in America today is not gaining the traction or credibility that it got during John Kerry's leadership of the VVAW.
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RStauch · Ensign Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 62

LewWaters · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject:

As I see it, the anti-war crowd and leftstream media were gaining in popularity, maybe due to their slanted reporting and most every TV show back then depicting returning vets as nutcases harming society. Kerry, ever the opportunist, jumped on the bandwagon to start his political career.

Somewhere, I have an article where a college roommate says he remembers Kerry speaking against the war in 1966 and mentioning wanting to become President one day then too.

I also have a letter I found online from another anti-war acquaintence of his where they feels he abandoned them too.

To me, it's all about personal power and his over-inflated ego. He'll hitch himself to whatever he feels will advance him.
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Paul · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: Good list

"What did he have to gain by lying about this?"

I'm usually long-winded. But everyone else has done a good job of providing the list of what he had to gain.

33 years after the fact, I'll point out his own subsequent "career" demonstrates what he actually did gain from it. All that he has done is to gain by it.

For over three decades John Kerry has been the darling of those who turned the syllogism of service on its head during the Vietnam war claiming that their lack of service and refusal to serve was the "real patriotism" and "heroic" act. He's been perfect for these kind of people -- they can point to John Kerry and say, "look honey, he's a 'war criminal', but now he's just like us."

It's nonsense and it's a disgrace. American cowards and traitors who need someone to justify their self-delusion personal illusions of being the "real heroes."

Also, as has been pointed out, if John Kerry genuinely believed what he claimed in April 1971, but never demonstrated the lies he made, how could he possibly be "proud" of his participation as he's claimed since his turn-around since the late '80s?

John Kerry has through his concrete actions of more than three decades demonstrated himself to be a self-serving mercenary with no character and no decency whose only "principle" is "whatever is expedient" in the furthering of his "career."
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Paul · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: reality

If one questions my deriding and rejection of the ridiculous, false and absurdly over-romanticized notion that the draft dodgers and anti-war pro-Hanoi crowd (including John Kerry, Bill Clinton and those like them. . . ) were the "courageous individuals" they like to make themselves out to have been, then look at the reality of the past four decades.

Keep in mind that at the time these people "questioned" NOTHING. They believed that they knew everything absolutely, no matter how demonstrably false so very many of the claims were then or are today, such as John Kerry's gross distortion of "free fire zones" and list of “atrocities.”

Neither then nor since have any of them paid any price whatsoever for their actions. It was the easiest position for men like John Kerry to take. Cowardice is not heroic. Further, because they advocated what was our enemy’s propaganda at the time, then others did pay quite substantial prices for John Kerry’s and others’ actions.

It's been rightly said that the only ones in this nation who "bore any burdens" or "paid any price" in Vietnam 1961 through 1973 were those who served in Vietnam and their families.

None of these people bore any burdens or paid any price whatsoever.

John Kerry "cashed in" by making himself their "darling," then and now, and all he has done by doing so is to have personally benefited by it.
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neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

Because when he came back, a Republican, Nixon, was president. If Hubert Humphrey had been elected, he never would have joined the anti-America movement.

DEL · Seaman Recruit Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 49

Let me take a shot for you. At time of the Vietnam war protests the political left was gaining power in this country. They(the left) wanted the Untied States out of Vietnam at any cost. In order to accomplish this task it was necessary to sway public opinion. Body bags alone would not accomplish the wanted pull-out.

It was my parents they had to sway.My father fought the Pacific Campaign, great uncle interned in a Japanese P.O.W camp, one uncle with Patton another hit by a kamikaze. The American people knew death. Still they stood up in overwhelming support for the people of South Vietnam.

They(the Left)hatched a strategy! Parents will send there children in harms way for cause. ie WW2, Koera. I watched as my son rolled across the border of Kuwait, proudly! One thing no parent will allow is their child being turned into a drug crazed baby killer.No parent will allow their child to by part of a military to rape and savage.

So begin the lie........................

FlyLow · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject:

dafrog · Seaman Recruit Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

I like the idea of chicks.... I think that he was stealing others "war strories". He didn't have enough time in country to get enough of his own. Mike....

4moreyears · Former Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 591

During the Viet Nam war protests spurred on by the KGB and others it seems to me that the University driven demonstrations had the bullhorns.

This time we have a more level playing field. We need to take our countyr back from the left and the socialists.
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kerry returned to the United States on July 22, 1971, held a press conference publicly calling on President Nixon... for the surrender of the United States to North Vietnam.

dafrog · Seaman Recruit Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

I was in Chicago for the 68 demorcratic convention, I saw the folks moving all the protesters around wearing wing-tip shoes, close cropped haircuts and in general clean. The real protesters were not so much about stopping a war as they were just looking for a good time. As you said KGB and or others were kicking that mess up.. Mike Tompkins Port Charlotte Fla...