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varwoche · Seaman Recruit Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

Despite the fact that the written record contradicts the swifties, it's entirely possible that the allegations that Kerry scammed his medals are legit.

It's possible that Plumly has firsthand knowledge that Kerry is unfit, even though he can't cite one specific fact.

mtboone · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:28 am Post subject: Lots of things are possible.

Lots of things are possible.

Yes and you are good cut and paste snippets which are just part of what was said. But, you being a troll would know that.

Marine4life · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:29 am Post subject:

Anything is possible except Kerry signing standard form 180. Have your man open up his records and let all your theories shine. You can prove once and for all who is lying if he opens up all of his records to the public. Otherwise you are trolling and he is once again scamming America. Semper Fi.
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varwoche · Seaman Recruit Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

varwoche · Seaman Recruit Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

Scott · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:47 am Post subject:

The "written record" that might contradict the Swiftvets is Kerry's military file. To date, he has not seen fit to provide the American people with a full accounting of his military record in Vietnam, even though he has made it the centerpiece of his candidacy.

varwoche, you can leave the innuendo to the professional spinners. There's no need for it here.
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varwoche · Seaman Recruit Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

mtboone · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:01 am Post subject:

It's possible that the swifty allegations are true, despite that they waited 35 years to make them, and despite that they kept silent during Kerry's 3 (4?) senate elections, and even kept silent up until the moment he was nominated. (Correction: Some of the swifties weren't silent during Kerry's sentate elections -- they spoke out in support of Kerry.)

O'Neill spoke out against Kerry in 71 and his run for the state Senate in his home state was not our problem. Trying to be President is a problem every one should be aware about. To my knowledge he never used his VN experience to promote his run for Senate but he was involved in VVAW, meeting with representatives of the North Vietnam and the VC in Paris of 1970 with no one there from South Vietnam or the US. If being in Cambodia is so seared in his mind on 12/24/68, how did he wind up at a completely different base? He did go before Congress in 1970 and talk about incidents that were told to him by members of the VVAW who are now known that they were never in VN or in the military and these are his truths, so I guess anything is possible.

Scott · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:01 am Post subject:

For starters, he has not published all of his fitness reports (fitreps). There are periods of time not accounted for in his published ones, and the Navy requires that all service time be covered.

Others with more experience may be able to tell you more.
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varwoche · Seaman Recruit Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 22

Scott · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:24 am Post subject:

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

There have been many discussions about what MAY be included in Kerry's record that he refuses to release. Look them up.

You can believe anything you want to believe about what Kerry might have said.

If you can chalk it up to "lame-ass" or "silly," then you have a stronger stomach than I. You can believe that none of it had a specific purpose, if you want to.

But, do not for a second believe that your little charade is playing here. Wink

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LewWaters · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:30 am Post subject:

mtboone · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: Any thing is possible.

1) True, O'Neill spoke out in '71, but that was about Kerry's post Vietnam anti-war position, not his service record. My bone of contention with the swifties is the retroactive attack on Kerry's service record.

2) Re Cambodia etc: I acknowledge that Kerry has made many lame-ass statements that should be explained, though I'm not holding my breath.

Why did you just blow off his meeting with the NVA Government and the VC and his actions before Congress? I did not serve with jfk, I was up in Qui Nhon before Kerry got in country and after he left. I am sure with your knowledge to find this site, you could converse with the men that served with him. What also bothers me, I served on 4 crews during my year there and you do not get that tight with officers as a rule. On patrol you are doing your job, sleeping but not discussing your life with your boat officer. When you came back off of patrol, he went to O country and we hit the E club. You did not sit around swapping stories. Now he had at least three crews in 4 months and 12 days at three different bases, how close can they have gotten? Did you serve in the Military?

4moreyears · Former Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 591

LewWaters

Good post, on point
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