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[fortdixlover]

My worst fear:

Kerry wins. Then Al Queda nukes NY, as they said they'd like to. Kerry declares Martial Law.

This would give the Left the perfect opportunity to fulfill its agenda by force:

The end of free enterprise. Government control of industry and the economy.

Confiscation of private firearms.

Suspension of Freedom of Speech; jail or worse for politically incorrect speech.

Suspension of that pesky document, the Constitution.

Thought-Reform camps.

Socialist-level taxation.

U.S. military put under U.N. rule, as Kerry once opined, at the mercy of U.N. corruption and its tyrants.

Antisemitic persecution (judenhass for those who want to play the "semitism" wordgame), per the Left's current pet hatred, and the abandonment of Israel.

and so forth.

Even worse nightmare:

At the behest of all the left-wing groups funded by the Heinz foundation, the left might set up such a sequence of events deliberately. When far leftists come to power, they try to consolidate their grip on power at all costs.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

I think you might have some of this right - but the order wrong.

Al Qaeda attacks right before the election.

America caves, votes Kerry in - just as happened in Spain.
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Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[sparky]

There can be one of two lessons to learn from this:

A) You better vote for Bush or face eternal communist enslavement under the control of UN black helicopters and the minions of SATAN!

B) Fear-mongering of this sort has been around as long as ballot boxes so don't let anyone sucker you with paranoid predictions.

Considering that only a Bush supporter advocated jailing anyone for their beliefs in this forum, the lesson to learn should be obvious. Note that the jail-for-dissidents advocate wanted this not because of any national crisis or emergency such as another attack, but rather economic and military objectives*.

Like Bush once said "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... ( Chuckles ) ( laughter ) ...just so long as I'm the dictator. ( Laughter )" From pbs:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec00/trans_12-18.htm



* "I'm new, but I see nothing wrong with censoring these traitors. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we're jailing them. We would't be worrying about whether we'll be able to continue what's been acomplished economically and militarily if it wasn't for them."

[Me#1You#10]

Here's another perspective from an Andrew Sullivan e-mailer addressing Mr. Sullivan's insecurity about our Mid-east policy that is certainly food for thought...bon appetite

[js]

[fortdixlover]

[js]

Could you provide a link for that claim, please?
The sources I have read/heard back my claim.

"In the aftermath of the terrorist attacks, the ruling Popular Party (PP) sought to place the blame on the ETA, a Basque terrorist organization. Even as information linking the attacks to Al Qaeda emerged over the next three days, the government kept maintaining its official position that the ETA alone was responsible. For while the PP's election campaign had been based on combating the ETA threat, the Qaeda attack could only be seen as a direct consequence of the party's decision to support the war against Iraq—even in the face of overwhelming opposition by the Spanish people. So, rather than sharing information in an open, democratic way, our government began a campaign of disinformation, manipulation of the media and lying to voters. By Friday Al Qaeda had officially claimed responsibility for the attacks as punishment for Spain's presence in Iraq. And on Saturday the ETA publicly denied committing the attacks—the first time in its 30-year history that it had ever denied responsibility for any terrorist action. More evidence emerged, but the government continued to stonewall until Saturday evening, when mass demonstrations in the streets of Madrid and Barcelona compelled it to concede the truth. On Sunday the opposition beat the PP by a swing of almost 40 seats in less than 24 hours. The PP lost not because of the attacks—as the American media seem to suggest—but because of the lies and disinformation that followed.
Michael Kubo
Barcelona, Spain"

Look here for this and other letters:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4918355/


'Analysts say that Aznar's party lost the race because Spaniards saw their rush to judgment against the ETA as a politically convenient deception. "In trying to get an electoral victory, they emphasized the ETA-theory to such an extent that the manipulation was too obvious," says Nuñez. "And, in the end, the population reacted to being manipulated." A policeman at the end of the island on Line 2 at Atocha station said it in other words, whispering with repressed anger, "All the politicians can go to hell."'

from:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4535595/

I've seen a few other articles to this effect, but for the life of me I can't remember where. I know one of them was in Spanish and I think it was from ABC (the conservative newspaper in Madrid that generally supports Aznar's party), but I can't find the link now so maybe it was from somewhere else.

[sparky]

Well said, JS!

How could the Spaniards feel secure with a government more intent on sidetracking the investigation and injecting their own vendettas than on objectively pursuing the perpetrators?

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[sparky]

And until they prove a negative, that innuendo might give rightwingers quite a bit of mileage.

Slick, guys, slick!

[fortdixlover]

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