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noam · Former Member Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

After hearing and reading alot of the points of contention about JK's service in Vietnam , I still don't quite understand something . Is it the fact about his protesting the war after his return or the awards/injury debate , which is the most upsetting ?

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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

If you want to frame it that way, I suppose that depends on the individual, but regardless which aspect of it you are talking about, it all goes to character, convinction, a sense of right and wrong, and loyalty, or lack thereof for his country.

Do you want a President that manipulates and lies just to get a medal, so he can use that as a basis of authority to tell yet another lie that ends up getting a lot of people killed? That is just the beginning.

Scott · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:31 am Post subject:

noam,

I suggest you read this thread: www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2593

I think it will give you an answer.
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sdonions · PO3 Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 294

For myself it is everything that JF'nK stands for. One leads into another as he HAS NO integrity or honor. He is an opportunistic AH and IMHO he will do anything to advance his agenda. How he ever has lasted that long in the Senate is a complete wonder as to his voting record and even showing up to vote in the last 2 years.

noam · Former Member Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

This may sound like odd but stay with me , Does the fact that JK did (from what I understand ) Vol to go to Vietnam . And there are plenty of others that are condeming him , that did not go . Where do you fall on this fence .

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Scott · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:43 am Post subject:

Could you please re-state your question? I'm not sure which fence you're referring to.
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ccr · Commander Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325

noam · Former Member Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Let me restate , how do you feel about the people who could have served but chose not to .

The Ghost · Seaman Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 160

yea you can volunteer ,after you found out that you have been drafted ,,especially when you find out that you can't get a year deferment to go to paris to study

so do you think that he really volunteered ?? or did he use the system to get out of as much of the war that he could ?

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

John Kerry's spin misters insuate that Kerry is better than Bush, because Kerry went to Viet Nam, Bush did not. What they fail to tell you is that the aircraft wing Bush was assigned to was indeed slated to go to Viet Nam. They also fail to tell you that to be trained for that Aircraft wing you had to be top notch. Shortly after Bush finished training however the Air Force stopped using that type of aircraft in Nam, but Bush still flew in defense of this country.

Kerry Vonunteered to go to Nam, but he picked the swift boats because at the time they did not get involved in much combat. But as luck would have it, right after he volunteered for that duty the Navy changed the operations the Swift Boats undertook. So he was now in a situation where he was going to be shot at and he was not happy about it.

Scott · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:49 am Post subject:

noam,

Please be advised that the subject of this site is John Kerry, and no one else. Posts that do not concern themselves, directly or indirectly, with John Kerry's fitness to become CIC may be edited or deleted by the moderators.

Scott
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carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

Kerry's service would not in any way mitigate the damage he did to Viet vets while he was in the Naval Reserves after the war.

He dishonored his service after the war. He dishonors his service today by running on a war record based on lies and deception.

He just can't get it right.
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noam · Former Member Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Here is the way I always explain feelings , for what its worth ,

I do not support lying to get out of duty , If you have a job to do ....you do it . If John Kerry lied to get out of combat he needs to own up because its a chump thing to do . Also about the other thing , if you didn't go to Vietnam because it was a moral issue , thats something I understand , but if you didn't go because of some lame excuse or weren't man enough to say "I am afraid" ....thats a chump

ccr · Commander Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325

Noam, read this: http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/UnfitCh3.pdf then post how YOU feel about someone who performed in the manner in which JFK did.

He provided a great service. But was it our side he served well?
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noam · Former Member Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Thanks for clearing up alot of questions , I look forward to more chats ...Information is the key ....

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