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republicanveteran · Commander Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 333 Location: Texas

And one other thing, would someone please ask who is punching Hurley's ticket. I'll bet he is being paid by Kerry campaign

GT · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 90

It is maddening isn't it that the interviewers, or I suppose I should say moderators since it really is more like a debate, aren't up on the facts? For instance, giving out the Kerry website for their talking points but not giving out the Swiftvet website. Since this seems to be a pattern, even for those TV celebs that are inclined to agree with the Swiftvet position, maybe Mr. O'Neill should pipe up. I know his style has been to be patient, and he has been doing a fantastic job, but these interviewers have so many facts to keep up with for all the various topics covered in their show you have to wonder how in-depth they really know the subject discussed. No one knows it better than the author of the book.

gilliam · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 97

John Hurley is the national director of Veterans for Kerry.

He is also associated with Veterans against the Iraq War.
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php

Recon9 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 7

Why don't the individuals who support Kerry come out and stand by him. They were at the convention and have pretty much ducked since Mr. O'Neill has come forward. I have seen several of the swiftees on several programs. They may not do as well as Mr. O'Neill, but they are effective in their own way. It seems like they are being kept off, I would think, that just maybe they don't want to directly have to support specific points like Christmas in Cambodia. I sure would like to see two fellow crew members square off on one specific event.

One more quick issue! Someone needs to point out how ridiculus it is to point or quote to the citation wording. If you aren't a veteran, then you don't understand how funny it is for Mr. Hurley to quote from them. Most of the younger men and most women who haven't served don't realize his. I laughed when I read my own!!!

kate · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:12 am Post subject:

great comeback for those who dismiss the guys that weren't on Kerry's boat

ADRIAN LONSDALE: a boat crewman doesn’t have the overall picture. He knows what his commander orders him to do and so on, but he doesn’t know what the orders were and whether the commander was doing what he was supposed to do and so on.

from his interview on Charlie Sykes radio show
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Stop Hanoi John · Ensign Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 71

Strange. Usually I'm calling out the Dem's for going overboard in other forums.

McCain took the same stance when the Dems were smearing Bush's record in the reserves. McCain does not want to drudge up the old feelings of Vietnam that split the nation back then. The man respects his fellow Vets. What is the harm in that?

I also would be a bit careful about trashing McCain if you are a Republican. It wouldn't surprise me to see him in Bush's cabinet. You think Cheney is going to get elected in 2008? No f-ing way. The Repubs are going to have to groom someone to run in '08, McCain may be that man. IMO They either made it clear to him he would benefit in the future by sticking with the Republican party, or he was dead set against being Kerry's running mate.

McCain has been personally affected by these types of ads. Combine these ads with trashing a Vet and McCain is absolutley going to condemn them

Don't get me wrong, I love the SwiftVet ads. They are turning changing the momentum in this election in favor of Bush, probably in a big way. I'd love to see the 'Heartland of America' (Hollywood) and the liberal media getting their asses handed to them by the American poeple.

I don't think is prudent to attack everyone who doesn't jump on board with these ads, especially McCain and his unique situation.

Know your enemy. McCain is not the enemy.

Scott · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:24 am Post subject:

With all due respect,

John McCain deserves undying gratitude and respect for his service in the US Navy.

On the other hand, has he performed to the same standard as a US Senator? Personally, I'm not impressed by the Campaign Finance Reform Law he co-wrote, even if it provides an exemption for the Swiftvets.

I'd prefer that no exemption were necessary.

The question for John McCain, Senator, seems to be:

What do you stand for, Senator?

Or have I missed something?

(I'm also wondering why he would support Sen. Kerry now, when he was not at all happy with him after his Winter Soldier testimony.)
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integritycounts · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667

I fully agree that John McCain is a true hero, and a soldier's soldier for how he accorded himself while he was captured.

I also give him a pass on his comments on Kerry and the Swift Boat Ad, they were said quickly after the release of the ad, probably prompted by a phone call by Kerry personally to him.

I note that since those first comments, done on the fly, that he has not said anything more. I have read nothing new from him.

Certainly Kerry has repeated McCain's words over and over, but that part of the story is now old news.

Since the Admiral's response to McCain saying that Swift Vets have earned their right to speak out, McCain has said nothing else to indicate the Swift Vets should stop. IMO thats a fair deal on McCain's part, his actions since I view as having honor. I don't expect that to change

Scott · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:

Fair enough. I have no problem with that.
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rbshirley · Founder Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 394

Stop Hanoi John · Ensign Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 71

Scott

I came very close to adding a final line saying if McCain should be attacked, it should be for creating this very situation. It doesn't even seem clear that either candidate can even publicly denounce or support these ads.

That question should be answered before any request for condemnation are made.

I think McCain has a big role in Bush's next administration. A very big role. Mostly my point is that if you wish to support the Bush ticket (not a goal of the SwiftVets), then you might want to cut McCain a little slack.

Scott · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:45 am Post subject:

Stop Hanoi John,

I believe that I have judged Sen. McCain on his actions. If I've missed something, please let me know.

He may play a large role in the next Bush adminstration if the President is re-elected. If so, I hope he'll perform with the same dedication that he did in the Navy in Vietnam. I always believe in giving people the chance to prove themselves by what they do (even politicians Wink

).

On the other hand, I am of the opinion that Sen. McCain's Campaign Finance Reform Law is a bad law, and I don't agree with his stance on the Second Amendment. He can always change my mind, however.

That said, whether I support President Bush has nothing to do with my involvement in this site or what I post here. As a moderator, to be sure, I intend to abide by the Campaign Finance Reform law as it applies to 527 organizations such as Swiftvets, and will not advocate a vote for or against any presidential candidate.
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stealthy · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

Stop Hanoi John · Ensign Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 71

I agree with that.

I'm a little surprised the Democrats chose Kerry after the tactics they employed against President Bush. They had to have known he was going to exposed for what he is. A self-made war hero who turned his back on his fellow Vets to gain the political spotlight, become a Senator and do next to nothing in the Senate for 20 years.

Unfit for Command is an understatement.