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mascari
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Joined: 09 Aug 2004
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Location: Medina, OH

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noam,

all people who serve deserve our thanks. However, not all people who served are automatically good people.

This would not be an issue if Kerry had not made his 4 months in Vietnam his main reason for being qualified to be Commander-in-Chief. He has also boasts of his bravery and his medals.

The swifties that served with him and know him from those 4 months are appalled at the prospect of his presidency, and simply want the voters to know their side of the story.

If you believe that those who didn't serve (like me) shouldn't comment on the behavior of someone who did, I'm sorry that we disagree.

However, the swift boat vets DID serve, obviously, and they served with Senator Kerry.
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carpro
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noam wrote:
Let me restate , how do you feel about the people who could have served but chose not to .


Not to parse words, but it depends on what you mean by CHOSE not to and what you mean by SERVED.

There are many ways to serve.

Be specific and you'll get an answer.
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noam
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mascari,

I would never say anyone cannot comment on this or any other subject , If that is how you infered my comment ...I am sorry . Open disscusions are how we all learn .

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Scott
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noam wrote:
Thanks for clearing up alot of questions , I look forward to more chats ...Information is the key ....


Indeed. Welcome aboard, noam.
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Grateful American
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="noam"]This may sound like odd but stay with me , Does the fact that JK did (from what I understand ) Vol to go to Vietnam . And there are plenty of others that are condeming him , that did not go . Where do you fall on this fence .


I was 4 at the time, but according to the book he tried to get deferment to go to school,when it was apparent it was going to be denied,he joined the Naval Reserve. Joined or drafted, I honor those who have served!.
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Robert Cooper
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my letter to my Congressmen will sum it up:

Find and Contact your Senator: www.senate.gov

While it is certainly obvious that most of the SwiftVets did not serve specifically on Kerry's boat (with the exception of Steve Gardner who served directly under Kerry) - however, Kerry did not serve on any of their boats either - yet, in 1971, Congress and the Media didn't restrict his testimony to his own activities and those of his own boat. Rather, they gave him ear as he testified of the alleged activities of those beyond his immediate boat experiences and further allowed him to include testimony based on heresay relating to the activities of all the members of our Armed Forces in Vietnam!

Therefore the standard for hearing testimonials has already been established by Congress, the Media, and John Kerry himself in 1971 - Hence, America's sense of jurisprudence mandates that the testimonies of the SwiftVets should also be allowed the same courtesy by Congress and the Media in regards to their testimonies directly relating to the activities of John Kerry, regardless of whether or not he succeeds to the position of President and Commander In Chief of the U.S. It is a matter of evenhandedness and fairness which sets our Judicial system apart from other other systems in the world. The careless congressional allowance of 1971 is directly responsible for creating the deepest resentment and distrust of practically every veteran of this era, and it is an unwarranted and cruel to refuse to do something , Congressionally, that will finally exonerate our Vietnam War Veterans and peel that baseless label "War Criminal" off their foreheads. This has been an ongoing issue for 33 years, and those who have experienced the brunt of John Kerry's 1971 accusations have been repeatedly stifled at each turn, Commander John O'Neill not excluded. Since 1971, Vietnam War Veterans has been due the same courtesy that was extended to John Kerry in 1971 - ie, a fair and equitable hearing.

Furthermore, I would encourage Congress and the Media to also give a fair hearing to POW's who was directly effected by John Kerry's label "War Criminals" which was immediately used by the North Vietnamese to re-classify the American captives and began charging them as "War Criminals" from that point on! An era most perilous and despairing for our POW's - especially when their captors informed them that their own Countrymen had confered that label upon them!

Let 2005, be the year that we regain the confidence and respect of a large population that has been too-long forgotten, maliciously mis-labled and too frequently scorned, overtalked and shouted at - The Vietnam War Veteran! Let us be resolved to never demonstrate such careless insensitivity toward our military ever again.

Sincerely,
Bob Cooper
Veteran - Attack Squadron 34, USN, 1971-1977
Tulsa, OK

Find and Contact your Senator: www.senate.gov
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