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uadoc
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:45 pm    Post subject: Quick help needed Reply with quote

on a discussion board and asked "why have these guys just come out?" I know O'neil took Kerry on in 71' but what else can I use??
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BK Burkett's "Stolen Valor" www.stolenvalor.com
kerry was quoting the Winter Soldier (false) testimonies before congress.
iirc, there were 11 convictions for war crimes of US military. If kerry was correct, and he was still a Navy officer, he ahd an obligation to report these things. He did not report anything...
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well, when even the DNC can see it,,,,, then kerry is toast.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until now Kerry was Massachutes problem. Now he wants to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief, during a time in which we are at war.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Quick help needed Reply with quote

uadoc wrote:
on a discussion board and asked "why have these guys just come out?" I know O'neil took Kerry on in 71' but what else can I use??


If you've got the time -- Watch video on C-Span of:

Swift Boat Veterans For Truth -- Press Conference 5/4/04(explains who the SwiftVets are, what they think & where they stand)

LINK: (after reaching link, click on the Press Conference video)
Swift Boat Vets Press Conference - C-SPAN

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Vets have never gone away, they are not just coming out now, this is the first time the Main Stream Media is being forced to carry the analysis.

Prior they just say Kerry is a war hero, with little reference to his actions after the war.

The Media bias, changed history by its selective focus.

Now, with this group, and this Book, the Liberal media is being forced to cover what has always been true.

Its not just coming out now...its finally being covered now. Look at the book "The New Soldier" Look at the cover. That is not a new story. Yet the media has STILL not covered it. Kerry is the author of that book.

If the Media covers that story will it be coming out JUST NOW? After all these years. Or will it come out because new media sources such as the Internet are forcing the media Monopoly to cover things their bias has cut out for so many years?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a line in the sand for many people that I have talked to. After the initial attempts to set the record straight didn't get all that far they just kind of put it away and went on with their lives. Not the Swifties of course, many of them have been trying to make the record right for years, but the media did the number on them they always do to discenters. But for many others, veteran and civilian alike this puts our country in peril. It will determine the future for our children. This cannot be. This is not about politics nor is it pro Bush. It is pro American, trying to preserve the America we all know and love.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beatrice1000 wrote:
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If you've got the time -- Watch video on C-Span of:

Swift Boat Veterans For Truth -- Press Conference 5/4/04(explains who the SwiftVets are, what they think & where they stand)

LINK: (after reaching link, click on the Press Conference video)
Swift Boat Vets Press Conference - C-SPAN


I went to C-Span found the link and tried it. It isn't there anymore. They have posted a note that the videos are only available for 15 days.
Rats !! I really wanted to spend an hour or so watching the video.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to the link and i am watching it right now Smile

maybe you should try again. Very Happy
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ArmyWife
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you are asked why this group just came out, you might mention that the Kerry campaign used a group picture with a lot of these guys in it, without their permission. They have a right to be angry that a guy that accused them of war crimes used their picture in a way that insinuated that they support him now.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the press conference is also linked at wintersoldier.com
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:32 am    Post subject: Why is Kerry just now wearing his heroism on his cuff? Reply with quote

John Kerry net effect of John Kerry's testimonial before Congress in 1971, where he labeled all Vietnam War Veterans as "War Criminals", was to create a 33 year old judicial deficit in the hearts of all Vietnam War Veterans - and it will continue to exist until our nation grants a fair & equitable hearing regarding the validity of that Label. I think a good response to someone who is wanting to know why it is just now coming out - is the question: "Why are you just now noticing an issue that has been allowed to go unresolved for 33 years?"

Find your Senators: www.senate.gov

The following is an email that I wrote to my congressmen:

While it is certainly obvious that most of the SwiftVets did not serve specifically on Kerry's boat (with the exception of Steve Gardner who served directly under Kerry) - however, Kerry did not serve on any of their boats either - yet, in 1971, Congress and the Media didn't restrict his testimony to his own activities and those of his own boat. Rather, they gave him ear as he testified of the alleged activities of those beyond his immediate boat experiences and further allowed him to include testimony based on heresay relating to the activities of all the members of our Armed Forces in Vietnam!

Therefore the standard for hearing testimonials has already been established by Congress, the Media, and John Kerry himself in 1971 - Hence, America's sense of jurisprudence mandates that the testimonies of the SwiftVets should also be allowed the same courtesy by Congress and the Media in regards to their testimonies directly relating to the activities of John Kerry, regardless of whether or not he succeeds to the position of President and Commander In Chief of the U.S. It is a matter of evenhandedness and fairness which sets our Judicial system apart from other other systems in the world. The careless congressional allowance of 1971 is directly responsible for creating the deepest resentment and distrust of practically every veteran of this era, and it is an unwarranted and cruel to refuse to do something , congressionally, that will finally exonerate our Vietnam War Veterans and peel that baseless label "War Criminal" off their foreheads. This has been an ongoing issue for 33 years, and those who have experienced the brunt of John Kerry's 1971 accusations have been repeatedly stifled at each turn, Commander John O'Neill not excluded. Since 1971, Vietnam War Veterans has been due the same courtesy that was extended to John Kerry in 1971 - ie, a fair and equitable hearing.

Furthermore, I would encourage Congress and the Media to also give a fair hearing to POW's who was directly effected by John Kerry's label "War Criminals" which was immediately used by the North Vietnamese to re-classify the American captives and began charging them as "War Criminals" from that point on! An era most perilous and despairing for our POW's - especially when their captors informed them that their own Countrymen had confered that label upon them!

Let 2005, be the year that we regain the confidence and respect of a large population that has been too-long forgotten, maliciously mis-labled and too frequently scorned, overtalked and shouted at - The Vietnam War Veteran! Let us be resolved to never demonstrate such careless insensitivity toward our military ever again.

Sincerely,
Bob Cooper
Veteran - Attack Squadron 34, USN, 1971-1977
Tulsa, OK

Find your Senators: www.senate.gov
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: Quick help needed Reply with quote

uadoc wrote:
on a discussion board and asked "why have these guys just come out?" I know O'neil took Kerry on in 71' but what else can I use??


Go to the rush limbaugh archives in there is a comment that Oniel Is a democrate , he didnt bother with Kerry untill he tried to run for president, Oniel nowing what this Kerry was all about went to his local Democrate office and tried to warn them to no avail, thusly the swift vets were born.
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