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Beatrice1000
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 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: discussion on Meet the press right now - swiftees /ad |
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"paid for by Tx republicans"
"won't work for republicans"
"has inspired sliver of republican base"
"people showing up in Oregon with signs asking obnoxious questions" |
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: discussion on Meet the press right now - swiftees /ad |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | "paid for by Tx republicans"
"won't work for republicans"
"has inspired sliver of republican base"
"people showing up in Oregon with signs asking obnoxious questions" |
I only had time to grab some of the offhand comments - but the general discussion was a smear on the vets and the entire slant was that this was "a republican scheme that won't work." They clearly do NOT want this story. They are "writing it off."
Let's get the emails out - if they condemn & smear, they MUST have John O'Neill on and allow him to speak!! |
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Dwight Callaway
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Beatrice-
Do you have any more details like how many people in Oregon and where and exactly which "OBNOXIOUS QUESTIONS " were they asking. We could go to school on them!
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Dwight Callaway wrote: | Beatrice-
Do you have any more details like how many people in Oregon and where and exactly which "OBNOXIOUS QUESTIONS " were they asking. We could go to school on them! |
Sorry I listened so fast & got so little -- I think they said Portland -- I think there were "signs" -- I think the "obnoxious questions" referred to were "release your military records" 
maybe some of those Oregon folks could respond? |
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Dwight Callaway wrote: | Beatrice-
Do you have any more details like how many people in Oregon and where and exactly which "OBNOXIOUS QUESTIONS " were they asking. We could go to school on them! |
I need to correct my post. The "obnoxious questions" reference was not related to the Swiftvet protestors, but was implied in the dialogue about the protesters -- Anyway, here's the transcript (emphasis mine):
NBC News
MEET THE PRESS Sunday, August 15, 2004
ANDREA MITCHELL HOST
PORTION of transcript relating to Swiftboat Vets:
MS. MITCHELL: ...Kerry, of course, made his military service in Vietnam the central metaphor of Boston, of the convention, and now we've got these ads by the Swift Boat Veterans, the so-called 527 ads, and they've been very prominently placed, and of course we then replay them. But John Harwood, they are paid for by prominent Texas Republicans, yet they get around the campaign finance law by claiming that they're non-political.
MR. HARWOOD: Yes. And George Bush was a little bit weak in denouncing them when he had the opportunity before Larry King the other day.
MS. MITCHELL: He had several opportunities, exactly.
MR. HARWOOD: He did. And he actually cast this in the context of all of these outside groups, and did not repeat what John McCain had suggested, which is that these ads ought to come down. Look, I don't think that Republicans are going to get all that far with this tactic. John Kerry's medals came from the United States government, and questioning his Vietnam service seems to be perhaps a useful tactic to try to erode some of the gains that John Kerry has made. He's clearly in a lot of the polling that we've seen established with the American people that they consider his experience qualifying him to be president, but I don't think that's the strongest ground for them to play on.
MS. MITCHELL: Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record? They're also now raising questions about whether he spoke incorrectly when he claimed to have been in Cambodia during the war.
MS. KORNBLUT: Which is still something that there's a bit of back and forth over. The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective. What I can say is that it does seem to have fired up at least a very small sliver of the Republican base. When we were out with Kerry in Oregon over the past few days, we started to see some more protesters showing up with signs outside the Kerry events, talking about his military record, talking about him as a war criminal. And so I think to the extent--I'm not sure it will actually do anything with swing voters, but I think to the extent that it gets people--conservatives doubting Kerry's record, we're going to hear more of it.
MS. MITCHELL: Well, one issue about what you saw in Portland, Oregon, is that you've got very different campaigns now. George Bush, the president, going to these town meetings with preselected people asking questions that appear to have been prompted by the campaign. You were out, Anne, with John Kerry in Portland, and they claim to have 40,000 people. That's what was reported. Very large rallies, not as controlled. Is that a correct take on it?
MS. KORNBLUT: Well, sure. They're certainly not as monitored. And the numbers, I'm usually very skeptical of the numbers that we're told at...
MS. MITCHELL: Sure.
MS. KORNBLUT: ...events, but it was actually quite overwhelmingly, undeniably. I think by the very definition of the kinds of events that the president wants to stage, they want to invite loyal Republicans. The last thing he needs as president is to have a questioner stand up and ask an obnoxious question at an event. But to be honest, Kerry isn't getting a lot of challenging questions either. To the extent that his events are open, it's so that people can go and cheer for him, not ask him really challenging questions.
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integritycounts
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funny thing is that when Kerry was on Meet the Press he said he would release all his Military Records....oopsie Ms. Mitchell, who is VERY Partisan to Democrats did not mention that.
Thinking that Bush should denounce Veterans from speaking out, is the silliest thing ever. I guess we can thank McCain for that notion. After Bush rejected it on day 1, the question was over.
Kerry having his surrogates demanding Bush ask the Veterans to be quiet, reminds me of a tattling child....and not that of someone who can be President of these United States of America |
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soccer4ever
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: discussion on Meet the press right now - swiftees /ad |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | | "paid for by Tx republicans" |
Let's show the world that there are tens of thousands supporting the SwiftBoatVetsforTruth - this way the media cannot single out 1 or 2 key Republican donor.
Numbers speak.
Please, please make a contribution now. Even if it's $5.
Direct link where you can make a donation via credit card:
https://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets
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lrb111
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Beatrice1000 wrote:
"paid for by Tx republicans"
"won't work for republicans"
"has inspired sliver of republican base">>>>>
Those are the disinformation lies.
It's veterans questioning the viability of a veteran. While i'm sure Republicans see it as positive, they really can't add anything to the Swiftvets spoken truth about kerry. In all fairness most cannot make informed commentary, anymore than kerry's uninformed lawyer's can.
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twinkleUSA
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The media has attached itself to the notion that this effort is funded by Texas republicans, because they know that a very large donation was made by a noted Bush supporter who happens to be from Texas. It would be great if the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth could work up some kind of a chart showing the contribution amounts based on state by state. Then perhaps the notion that this entire effort is being backed by one or two rich Bush backers could be squashed once and for all. If not squashed, at least it can be something to fire back at those who claim in blanket statements that this is all funded by TX republicans.
I was only able to donate $25, which I'm sure is a drop in the bucket compared to the money that these guys need to carry on the cause. But although I am republican, despite the notion that ALL republicans are rich, I am not rich... lol... and that is all I was able to give at the time. I feel insulted whenever I hear the Kerry camp & the media proclaim that this is paid for by TX republicans... it is pure bunk... I know because I did donate and I am NOT from TX (not that there's anything wrong with being from TX..lol), but furthermore it is irrelevant to what these Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are saying.
I think it would be quite interesting and very impressive to show
1.) the total amount of money that has been donated.
2.) the total amount of people who have donated money... in a state by state basis if possible
Even if the total amount of those who were only to donate a small amount, like myself, does not equal or surpass the large donation made by the TX Bush backer the media likes to tout, it would show that many, many more people support this effort than one or two TX republicans. After all, it takes 40 people donating $25 just to pull in $1000. If there are a lot of people, like myself, who were only able to donate small amounts, then the dollar amount may not be very high, but it would show that this effort is backed by more than just a few people. I think it would be great if we could get some of these donation numbers out in the media to prove that this is a grass roots effort, and not simply some kind of a political scheme.
Since this is my first post... long time lurker just so much to read to post very much...lol.... I want to thank the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth for taking on this task, and I want to thank ALL Veterans & those currently serving in any branch of our military for their service & sacrifice. |
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manelly
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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 I donated $25 when i first signed on here and I will do it again in a couple of days.
Is there a link to donate through paypal?
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