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leeinwv · PO3 Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 268

Just watched our news here in WV and about 2,000 vets are calling people telling them not to support what the swiftvets are saying. I don't know too many people to contact to get the information out. This is a state where the truth needs to get out and fast. It is a swing state and I don't know how they can not read Kerry. They have it in their head it is not true. Someone help I can't stand to see Kerry get away with his lies again

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LewWaters · Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:20 am Post subject:

Each person can help wherever they are by downloading flyers available and handing them out wherever. Remember, this is largely a grassroots effort, not receiving millions in funds from supporters.

Write letters to your papers, call friends, whatever, just spread the word. Donate what you can to the SBVT so they can work to get the word out.

If you see one claiming to be a vet, don't be surprised if they aren't. Not all claiming to support vets are really veterans, he's used phonies in the past, remember.

If this is to succeed, we all need to get involved to the best of our ability, not wait for someone else to do it.
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kate · Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:35 am Post subject:

well well, Kerry team has to be reallly worried about that ad if he's got a team of 2000 vets on phone banks calling people, and telling them to ignore the ad??

Im trying to imagine someone calling me and asking if I've seen an ad on TV for the swiftvets , and then them saying --dont believe it.
How stupid do they think people are?

Wouldnt most people think it odd that kerry cant speak for himself, and deny the ad publically if the allegations arent true.?

of course they'll do a smear number on the swifties, but I have to wonder how many people they will really affect. ...?

they think that tactic would go over with independants ?
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Hello, I am calling for John Kerry.

I want to assure you that the ad the Swift Boat Veterans are running is full of lies.

Resident: Oh, you mean like him saying he was in Cambodia on Christmas?

Caller: Oh, well no, he made a mistake on that.

Resident: Which mistake are you referring to? In Cambodia, near Cambodia, sneaking spies into Cambodia, but not on Christmas.

Caller, well he was just a bit confused on that.

Resident: Oh really. Even after it had been SEARED, SEARED into his memory?

Yep, those calls are going to work real well...NOT

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

I just wish they would call me:)) I love all of you too:)

leeinwv · PO3 Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 268

They have a web site , but it is not on it. I sent an e-mail to them and told them they needed the swiftvets to give their side and to contact them at swiftvets.com.

I just hope they call my home. My husband is a veteran and they will get an ear full.

I hope Kerry is worried . I send out e-mails all the time to the tv and radio stations here. Especially if they give Kerry more coverage than the President.

Plan on calling talk radio in the morning to get it out.
This is one mad WV home tonight

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

leeinwv...why not alert the REAL news media, the blogosphere? They have e-mail too Smile

leeinwv · PO3 Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 268

I just did Fox news and told O'reilly about this article. I really have support his show and I want him to be fair. I listened to him talk to that creep Micheal Moore and he can give the swiftvets a chance. They have a poll on there if you believe the swiftvets and they are ahead 84% http://www.foxnews.com/foxfan/index.html go and vote

Bill O'Reilly: The Swift Boat blues
By BILL O'REILLY, Creators Syndicate
August 16, 2004

The partisans are running wild over this Swift Boat business, talk radio is crazy with it, and the smell of blood is in the air. John Kerry has made a major deal of his Vietnam War record, and now his opponents have opened fire on the senator's experiences. It's all tawdry and distasteful, of course, but let's examine things unemotionally.

First off, I believe Jim Rassmann when he says that Kerry saved his life by pulling him out of a Vietnam river while under fire. Rassmann is a former Green Beret, a former police officer and a longtime registered Republican until earlier this year. If he says John Kerry is a hero, nobody should doubt it. Rassmann has earned the right to be trusted, and insulting his testimony is way out of line.

But I also believe Steve Gardner, a former Navy gunner who was also present on one of Kerry's Swift Boats. He says the senator wrote up a false report, neglecting to inform the Navy that he, Gardner, had accidentally shot a Vietnamese child during a firefight. This is a tough one. Gardner is implicating himself and has no reason to do so. But perhaps Kerry was looking out for him by not reporting the incident. Only Kerry knows.

It is very possible to perform heroically on some occasions and do less than admirable things on others. All human beings are flawed, and we are capable of both valor and deceit. That's what I think happened here. John Kerry was brave but he was also calculating. His heroism impressed most of his Swift Boat mates, but his civilian anti-war activities and perceived grandstanding also alienated many other Vietnam vets. And so the battle lines are drawn.

What should we on the sidelines make of all this? Well, it's a judgment call. It is absolutely wrong for Americans to condemn Kerry's war record because he demonstrated provable valor. However, those who distrust him do deserve to be heard, although facts, not emotion, should be demanded.

I think the Swift Boat political advertisement calling Kerry a charlatan is in poor taste, and if this kind of thing continues, it might well backfire on the Kerry haters. Most Americans are fair-minded, and bitter personal attacks do not go down well with folks who are not driven by partisanship. Remember, General Wesley Clark was knocked out of the presidential sweepstakes when he would not disown Michael Moore's insane remark that President Bush was a "deserter." Mr. Bush received an honorable discharge from the National Guard. Admiral Elmo Zumwalt pinned a medal on John Kerry's chest. The record is the record unless rock-solid proof refutes it.

The lesson here is that blind partisanship is not an attribute. No person or candidate is all good or all bad. In America today, with both sides peddling lies and defamation and spin, it is alarmingly difficult just to get simple facts on which to base a responsible vote.

Son Of The Godfather · Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:01 am Post subject:

carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

O'Reilly may have been a bad choice.

He is already on record as thinking the ad is not fit for human consumption(my words).

This would play right into his hands.
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leeinwv · PO3 Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Posts: 268

I know his views , but I wanted him to know mine.

4moreyears · Former Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 591

To bill o'reilly:

"Most Americans are fair-minded, and bitter personal attacks do not go down well..."

DUH! Bill, focus for a moment..........kerry originated the bitter personal attacks 35 years ago...against a whole generation of American military. If you don't get that then you are a pointless pin head.

Nothing "tawdry" in the swifties wanting the truth to get known...since we can no longer rely on you as being fair and balanced. The only thing tawdry is the DNC and the press doing duck and cover routine.
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kerry returned to the United States on July 22, 1971, held a press conference publicly calling on President Nixon... for the surrender of the United States to North Vietnam.