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[Jette]

[Jeff Carrington]

HEY did you notice the "tactical shift" today best example probably being Susan Estrich on the OReilly program. Namely:

(1) previously when Susan subbed for Alan Colmes she could barely contain herself, trembling with anger about SBVT and firing off insults about smears, vile Republican "hired guns" schemes etc etc etc; not too adult

(2) but today with the "stage prop" of the new Move On anti-GWB ad (his ANG service) it's all condescendingly humorous, tsk--tsk, boys will be boys, BOTH SIDES (big of you Susan) should clean up their act and talk about the real issues instead of all this petty schoolyard fisticuffs stuff, c'mon now Vietnam is ancient history, etc. . . . .

Now I'm no Patton or Eisenhower but I think I see what's going on. Yes! it's the "NHL" strategy!! You assign some goon that can't play a lick (the Move On ad) to provoke the opponent's superstar into a "game misconduct" situation. They lose the superstar and you lose the goon. Good trade!

This is the new DNC strategy.

[Polaris]

People,

Here's something else to think about....and if any of you are GOP members you might want to suggest it.

If MoveOn does pull it's add, then I would suggest that the GOP complain to the FEC for illegal coordination. If they don't then they (and Kerry) look very bad.

It's a lose-lose situation for Kerry.
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Truth is Beauty

[jwb7605]

[Polaris]

People,

I will be frank. I am a libertarian and when it comes to social issues I disagree with the president on almost everyone of them. As an Atheist, I have trouble with is stance on religion as well. On the domestic side, about the only thing I agree with him on is defending the second amendment and the use of business oriented solutions to social problems.

That said, I am going to vote for President Bush anyway.

Why? Because during a time of war, CHARACTER matters first and foremost. For all my disagreements with him, President Bush has character and Sen. Kerry plainly does not. Without character, no other issue matters.
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-Polaris

Truth is Beauty

[silenthunter]

Polaris asked why Kerry is making all these stupid mistakes.

For a couple of reasons, I believe.

First and foremost, John Kerry (aka "Mr. Entertainment") wouldn't know a hero or a patriot or a person of valor if one of 'em slapped his prissy little face. He just cannot recognize the breed even though he "served" amongst them in Vietnam. He's too self-centered to be able to function with real people.

Secondly, and as I have said in different forums, John Francine Kerry is not the brightest bulb in the box. He was not an honors stoont at Yale. He has never, ever, successfully presented himself as a thinker of any standing. His treason speech in 1971 was written by someone else and recited. He is mentally slow, and that weakness is a gift to us from the DNC.

John Kerry is a slow target.

John Kerry wilfully launched a grenade, the shrapnel radius of which included himself. Doy, "there's hope for America."

John Kerry pitched a concussion grenade into a cache and nearly blew his own ass off with rice. Doy, "there's hope for America."

Maybe someone could give him a hand grenade belt buckle and send him to sit in the corner to figure it out.

John Kerry frontlines the story of a Green Beret "crew member" who tells the story of being rescued by Kerry following a dunk in the river, and most of that time he was admittedly underwater. But, of course, he also saw it all and John Kerry is now his hero. And John Kerry showboats that story! Doy, "there's hope for America.

John Kerry is truly a Manchurian Candidate. John Kerry is no thinker. John Kerry is a (dull) tool, easily manipulated not just by the Queen of Hearts but by the whole derned deck, jokers included. To suggest that he would be a better servant were he to have a ring in his nose would not be an "inappropriate" thing to say.

His handlers are dangerous, that's for sure. But John Kerry left alone with John Kerry is a two man parade of dimwits. The guy's got a key in his back.

John Kerry is an inappropriate human being.

Gosh, I love this war!

P.S.--to all of the queries about DD180: He'll do it. It will be heavily doctored and transparently phony (appropriately) but it will be complimentary. "Did I ever tell you I was in Vietnam? I was a war hero, you know." He will do it late in the campaign--too late to mount a truth report. That just fits the pattern of the weasel (my apologies to egg-sucking weasels everywhere). I've got $5.00 on that one.


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[MJB]

Please be patient and steady on. We have to really be aware of the lack of knowledge on the part of the civilians out there. They don't know the difference between a fitrep and a firetrap! Keep it short, simple and unemotional.

Those of you with specific information about dates, locations, procedures, etc. be aware that many others out there will find it confusing to wade through lots of details.

Please don't get impatient with repeated questions or confusion on their part. Let's keep educating people and helping them see that the heart of some of these issues really IS in the details.

MJB

[ArmyWife]

Who would debate on Bush's side? Well, that's an interesting comparison in itself. I have heard Bush's former TX Air Guard commander say on TV that George W. Bush was "just another one of the guys" when he served. It seems that must be true because not a lot of people have come forward with reminiscences about him. But, think about this for a moment...Bush's dad was a Congressman at the time. If he had bragged about that, he would have stuck out more, and people would have remembered a lot more about him. In contrast, John Kerry was going around telling people that he was "the next JFK from Masschusetts". That's pretty telling about the personalities of the two.

The best person I have ever heard stick up for Bush's service on TV was Lieutenant General McInerny, the FOX News analyst that was the former Asst. Chief of Staff of the Air Force. If somebody knows where I could find a transcript of that explanation, I would appreciate it. He explained exactly how pilots were managed in those Guard units at that time in history...that that they were commonly allowed to transfer units and take leaves of absence just like Bush did. He also explained that the plane that Bush flew was a difficult plane to fly, and why the mission to fly them here was real, not some worthless boondoggle like the media always seems to imply. Even if you believe that family connections got Bush into the Guard, it's a stretch to believe that it could have gotten him through flight school. The media have been allowed to persist in willfull misunderstanding of Bush's Guard service, and it's just frustrating. Besides that, plenty of Nat'l Guard folks died in Vietnam, and it's disrespectful to pooh-pooh all Nat'l Guard service.

Kasich is yet another non-military guy who doesn't understand the issue. He's doesn't understand how life-changing military service can be, and therefore doesn't get why people still care about events that long ago. He doesn't get how deeply it hurts for a military person's honor to be questioned because he's a policitian, and having his honor questioned is part of just another day's work.

[fortdixlover]

[Tilly]

I've already shot off an e-mail to the philly newsrag. Last night, I wrote to O'reilly show (again!) and to the white house, saying that Mr. Bush should NOT denounce the Swift Vets.

I don't really think George W. will read the e-mail ... but I think they might keep tabs on numbers of e mails pro and con to an issue.

Wow! Amazing, mindbblowing stuff!

[You GottaBeKidding]

I wrote a nastygram to the Philly paper and got a reply this morning. See this thread for the response.


http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3072

[stop kerry]

I plan to vote for Bush but if he dares to say you should stop what is a effective grass roots movement based on true FACTS against the lies of communists that control kerry like Soros and Moore along with the hollywood whores then I might stay home

I'll send those bastards an email they will never print!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ArmyWife]

It might actually enhance the SwiftVets credibility if the Bush campaign asked them to stop, and the SwiftVets refused. This is about their honor, not the Bush campaign, right?

Now, if W, himself asked...that would be tougher to say no to...

[Robert Cooper]

Yup, we're dealing with another Mesmercrat. The writer of the article is approaching the SwiftVet issue by confining it to the Presidential Election and associating it with President Bush - an old mersmeratic trick! The SwiftVet issue is much broader than the Election that deals with a period spanning 33 years which has nothing to do, nor has alignments with Bush - it is about Kerry. I am going to submit a written response to this article and send it to: Views@phillynews.com - and I will post my response on this site later.
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[bach04]

Philly Daily News claim to fame was the "first" newspaper to make an endorsement 2-3 months ago - and guess who they endorsed? The paper is without a doubt bordering tabloid status and certainly ran by morons. It is also the same paper that endorsed John Street, who was being investigated by the FBI for political impropriety sometimes back during the mayor race. Sorry if this is off topic but I wouldn't take serious anything that comes from this paper.