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DADESID
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Hackworth trashes SBVT Reply with quote

Go here:

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Hacks%20Target%20Homepage.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=79&rnd=487.43495259397985

Someone who was actually there with Kerry might want to straighten the good Colonel out. He carries a lot of weight with the media.

His email is teagles@hackworth.com
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course he did hes a leftist
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He hates BUSH and he's a member of ABB so when some said he would comment I figured he would go after you SBVT's because he knows you will affect the election and Bush could be helped.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's discredited himself enough times that he's not much listened too any more. I asked a Commander what he made of him and he said he's bitter over not making General. He basically only attracts others bitter.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fall of Hackworth has been pretty interesting. He's really fallen from grace in the media circuit.

A lot of people made huge errors over the Iraq war, so I don't know why or if Hackworth was singled out.

A brave veteran though who is entitled to his own (albeit wrong) opinion. Perhaps he started believing his own press.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When posts are made by detractors of swiftvets, I wish a link to the e-mail of the detractor would by posted as well. Somebody did that on another thread and it's cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our local paper publishes a column by Colonel Hackworth once a week.
It is always very negative in tone and highly critical of President Bush,
as well as the military chain of command. According to his own words,
he agrees with Kerry's and other vets' protest of a war which he also
thinks was wrong. I would consider it a positive sign that he is criticizing
the Swifties. He must think the ad is working!!

Semper Fi!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hackworth has discredited himself and unfortunately many who served with him...
In a way he shares many of the same shortcomings as John Kerry.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read Hackworth's book About Face years ago and found myself admiring the man. When I was in law school I went to see him speak at FSU and found myself conflicted and baffled. That was around 1993 and he wasn't making sense to me anymore.

I'd add to this that I am enormously unhappy with General Clarke's reaction to the SBVets. I share an alma mater with him, but don't understand where he is coming from at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fame does strange things to people.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hackworth runs about 50% correct, IMHO.

Nearly all of his columns now are negative because he views it as his mission to stick up for the troops against the DoD bureaucracy and corrupt officers. He tends to be right about equipment and unfair treatment of individuals and units. He goes wrong when he makes slams against the administration on bigger policy issues, and yes, his liberal leanings do show there.

I have gotten the definite impression over the years that he feels he would have made BG if he had not said negative things about the Vietnam War on camera. It may be true, and it would likely color his interpretations of what is going on in the SBVfT controversy.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmyWife wrote:
I have gotten the definite impression over the years that he feels he would have made BG if he had not said negative things about the Vietnam War on camera. It may be true, and it would likely color his interpretations of what is going on in the SBVfT controversy.


Well, I was stunned by the revelation that Hackworth was the key intermediary between the private or whoever had the two CDs he was given of Abu Graib and Hersh. The military was proceeding along just fine. People read the Taguba report as being that of a good officer and honorable man, who placed blamed when it belonged. Charges were being brought, etc.

It's difficult for me to believe, given that, that Hackworth's primary concern is with those serving in the military. He seems far more the liberal political partisan.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not put much stock in what Hackworth has to say.

He went on National TV and bashed the US Goverment and the Military for the way things were being done in Vietnam, and then got out of the Army and ran away to Australia.

Several years later he wants to come back and purport to speak for all men and women in uniform.

Horse hockey, he don't speak for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with ArrMatey on this one.

I used to be a fan of Hackworth, and cut him some slack in the 1990's. The turning point for me was his hairbrained endorsement of GEN Clark

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Hacks%20Target.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=35&rnd=851.4185308139077

considering what he had said about him in the past during the "Perfumed Prince" campaign.

He has turned from a little bit of a bitter gadfly whose heart was in the right place, into a stalking horse for the left.

I wrote him twice about the SwiftBoatVets issue, and received these responses.

1-Before he wrote his article:
Quote:
Got a truck load of queries regarding where I stand re: John Kerry and George W. Bush. So many in fact that I need to send this generic reply.

As a military journalist I try to stay away from politics. If you will
visit my archives (http://www.hackworth.com , Defending America-Archives)
you will see that over the years I have blistered Republicans as well as Democrats.

I am a registered Independent and take no political position. My only
concern is the objective of SFTT: ensure our soldiers are well trained,
well equipped, and well led.

Your query has caused me to look into the attacks on "Bush: the Draft
Dodger" and "Kerry: the Non-Hero."

Hopefully in a week or so I will have completed my homework on this
issue and wrapped up a response for you and others in a subsequent weekly column.

Thank you for supporting Soldiers for the Truth (http://www.sftt.org).

Hack


"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any
war, no matter how justified, shall be directly Proportional to how they
perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their Nation"

George Washington

VIETNAM PRIMER

An updated version of the VIETNAM PRIMER is now available. Please check
the
website http://www.hackworth.com/ for ordering instructions.

Check out my website for the latest on my new book STEEL MY SOLDIERS'
HEARTS.



2..... and after I sent a response to his bucket of FOD attack on SBV.

Quote:
Got a truck load of queries regarding my piece on vets vs vets. So many
in fact that I need to send this generic reply.

As a military journalist I try to stay away from politics. If you will
visit my archives (http://www.hackworth.com , Defending America-Archives) you
will see that over the years I have blistered Republicans as well as
Democrats.

I am a registered Independent and take no political position. My only
concern is the objective of SFTT: ensure our soldiers are well trained,
well equipped, and well led.

Most of the comments were either hate Kerry or hate Bush or hate
Hackworth with each group taking a strong partisan side.

Many commentaries were well balanced and made excellent points. There
were several dozen frothing at the mouth dedicated Hate Kerry or Hate Bush
types who shot every profanity I have ever heard and a few new ones at me.
Then, there were the ones who didn't know that I grew up during the Kill a
Commy for Mommy period who accused me of being a wild eyed communist,
liberal, pinko, Fonda lover. Several even threatened to burn my books --
shades of Germany circa 1930s -- and a few even wanted to "stomp" my
74-four-year old butt.

Learned long ago about "sticks and stones..."

Sadly, a fair number of the writers never served in our armed forces
and didn't have a clue about what they were writing about. They were just
repeating propaganda put out by the various factions and much of this
is hogwash.

One thing the column did prove to me besides being a lightening rod was
sadly our nation remains divided.

Lastly, I was frequently criticized for not reviewing UNFIT FOR
COMMAND, investigating Kerry's decorations or Bush's alleged AWOL from the Guard
etc. The column has a strict word budget of 700 words, which, of course,
limits me to basically one theme.

Thank you for your patience and for supporting Soldiers for the Truth
(http://www.sftt.org).

Hack


"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any
war, no matter how justified, shall be directly Proportional to how they
perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their
Nation"

George Washington

VIETNAM PRIMER

An updated version of the VIETNAM PRIMER is now available. Please check
the website http://www.hackworth.com/ for ordering instructions.

Check out my website for the latest on my new book STEEL MY SOLDIERS'
HEARTS.


Form letters .............................

He is not the independant he says he is. He is a partisan "Hack". Zero credibility, and any slack I gave him was lost on the 1930's comment.


BTW, I gave this site a plug on my blog http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com here
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2004/07/lieutenant-john-forbes-kerrys-fitreps.html
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This latest column of Hackworth's is the kind of stuff I'm talking about when I say that I think he runs about 50% correct:

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Hacks%20Target%20Homepage.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=80&rnd=881.5160315314952

There just isn't anywhere else that soldiers can complain to when their battalion commander is a nut job...at least not anywhere else that will get traction.

When he goes against the Swift Boat Vets for Truth, well then I obviously disagree with him. A lot of extraneous issues came up on this thread, but Hack may yet come around on this.
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