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DADESID · Seaman Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 157

Go here:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/kerryawards.htm

You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

I hope someone with some legal experience with this sort of thing chimes in. This looks like a big "Ruh roh" if there's any chance it must be taken seriously.

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

Anyone know how credible an "authority" judicialwatch.org might be?

What are the chances of this going anywhere?

What does this document even mean? Is is a copy of a filing made to DOD? Or is it a dcoument on the internet?
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AF366TFW · Ensign Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 69 Location: Florida

one of the legal eagles should be able to comment on this Navy_Navy_Navy.

It looks like a legit document to me. Whether or not the DOD and Dept of Navy have to act on this is another matter.

We can only hope and pray!
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Theresa Alwood · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:27 pm Post subject:

Is this true? I sure do hope so. It is about time Kerry is accountable for his actions after the war. While some people might think this is an "old" issue - I do not...and I am not a vet from the Vietnam era. I think it would be great if Kerry was stripped of his medals.
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You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

This is from the Judicial Watch web site:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/3794.shtml

You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

They've sued Clinton's people, Bush, and Cheney. I don't think much will come of this, although there might be some press.

stealthy · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

I don't trust Klayman much. He's kind of a gadfly. I wouldn't be surprised if he uses this as a request for funds.

It will be interesting to see how the media cover this though. When he was attacking Clinton he was a right-winger, when he went after Cheney he because a public interest group.

Bet this makes him a rightwinger again. Wink

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Scott · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject:

one more captins mast · LCDR Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 438 Location: Texas

For those who continue to protect Kerry, beware.!!!!!!

History looms, for those who "lie" when you go to sleep at nite they

will have fear that History will come as a Demon with huge

red eyes, and riding on a huge white horse, and the eyes of the

monster will seem to be looking only at the lie and the liar, when

they scurry away,and then trun to look back it will be ever nearer

soon they must chose, which will it be, the Dark Side forever, or

back into the light.
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kate · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject:

kinda like a centrist aclu

http://www.judicialwatch.org/index.shtml
they're going after Sandy Burgler info, which cant be a bad thing

and info on Ron Browns' death
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Norman Rogers · Seaman Recruit Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 12

The Kerry campaign has hung their hat on "the Oficial Navy Records" -- his citations and Purple Hearts. Kerryites would have us believe that the facts were all determined 35 years ago and the eyewitness claims made in "Unfit for Duty" are irrelevant.

Now this petition challenges the basis of the Kerry fable. This petition demands that the Navy re-examine ALL of Kerry's awards, IN LIGHT OF NEW EVIDENCE (these affidavits by eye-witnesses).

Now, Kerry can no longer rely on his service record, because his heroism is being officially challenged.

This is a VERY big deal.

HardCorps · Ensign Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 65 Location: San Diego

This is good, a request for an investigation (not a law suit) to the Navy and DOD that Lt(jg) Kerry's Awards be revoked is completely proper as it is based on U.S. Law and Navy Regulations: This is used against Officers and Enlisted more often than the public is aware.

1. Title 10 U.S. Code, Section 6249 provides that no medal, cross, bar, or associated emblem or insignia may be awarded or presented to any individual if the service after the distinguishing act or period has not been honorable.
2. Any award for a distinguished act, achievement or service may be revoked before presentation by the approval authority, or after presentation by SECNAV, if facts, subsequently determined, would have prevented the original approval of the award, or if the awardees service after the distinguishing act, achievement or service has not been honorable.
3. If the awardees honorable service is questioned after presentation of the award, forward the entire case to NDBDM via CNO/CMC as appropriate for a determination and final disposition.[/quote]

This is the only way to legally and fairly(assuming our Flag Officers understand their oaths) adjudicate this matter as the court of public opinion can not Revoke his medals or officially prove dishonorable service.
That is what Kerry tried to do with Winter Soldier in '71 and Moore is trying to do with Fahrenheit 911. That's not how I want Kerry to receive his Justice. Regardless, I believe that "Unfit for Command " and the public testimony of these incredible Swift Vets will cause Americans to rationally understand Kerry's Betrayal and Lies.

If his medals are revoked and his service is determined Dishonorable and the American people elect him anyway, then we will know how far we have digressed as a people. But they will live to regret their folly.
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4moreyears · Former Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 591

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/kerryawards.htm

The follow up link.
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stevieboy · Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject:

To me it looks like the whole thing rests on an administrative process vice a legal one. The Navy (under the Bush administration) has the choice of spending resources on a 30+ year old case and getting half of the country upset over what will be called partisan politics. My guess is the Nav will steer clear of this one. I think the jury will have to vote on 2 November. Let's hope they see things our way.