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Why didn't anyone get the word to O'neill???!!!
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NavyBrat
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone notice Alan Colmes slipping the " We had someone scheduled from the Kerry Campaign to counter/debate, but they called earlier today and cancelled " ?

If this is so "breaking news" and so HOT, why NOT face ONeill and debate him with this new revelation instead of hiding. Because it's NOT the truth and they know it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the very least, the Swifties should point out the disingenuousness of Kerry's "Bring It On" challenge to Bush. They need to point this is typical of Kerry. Bush is no more qualified to debate Kerry's war record than Kerry is qualified to debate my record during my stint in the USMC. That would require the eyewitness testimony of my superior officers and my fellow soldiers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the very least, the Swifties should point out the disingenuousness of Kerry's "Bring It On" challenge to Bush. They need to point this is typical of Kerry. Bush is no more qualified to debate Kerry's war record than Kerry is qualified to debate my record during my stint in the USMC. That would require the eyewitness testimony of my superior officers and my fellow soldiers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bush can't debate Kerry on Vietnam because he wasn't there.


Oh, please.

That's like saying Kerry can't debate Bush about the Presidency because he wasn't there. Or that Bush can't challenge Kerry's senate record because he was never a senator.

Besides, President Bush has already stated that he thinks Kerry's service was noble. Which is more than most people credit President Bush's 5+ years (about two of which were FULL TIME military service) with the TXANG. Everyone seems to want to ride President Bush for wearing a flight suit conveniently forgeting the minor detail that he actually WORE one for a living for a while.

Any part of any candidates history is subject to review and debate, regardless of whether or not one actually is "qualified" to discuss it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GIJoel2 wrote:
Bush can't debate Kerry on Vietnam because he wasn't there. This is between Kerry and the Swifties. They are the eye witnesses. What's Bush going to do during the debate, read O'neill's book to Kerry?


Good idea. So you think that Bush needs to cede the moral high ground to kerry? I don't...especially since so many National Guards went to VN...and some are still there today. Bush has nothing to apologize for and by implying that he can't debate kerry on VN you only give aid and comfort to the Democrats.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is different. Kerry's votes are on the record. The Swifties are making a number of charges that contradict the record and rely solely on eyewitness testimony...and Kerry denies most of their charges. It would be stupid for Bush to wade into this fight. He's better off sitting back while the Kerry campaign expends it's time, energy and treasure duking it out with the Swifties.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that I can agree with: KERRY NEEDS TO RESIGN/STEP DOWN NOW!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fourmoreyears:

This debate has nothing to do with Bush. He knows nothing about the particulars of this debate. It would be like asking you to debate an issue between 2 neighbors, when you just moved into the neighborhood and have no clue about either of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion there would be No debate with anyone on the issue of his service because if he were to face anyone. All they would have to say is one sentence. " Let us see your Records". Kerry would not have a foot to stand on if he doesnt. I can see why Kerry doesnt want to face anyone on this. But in my opinion whether he does or doesnt he is going down. Because if he doesnt, everyone knows he is hiding something and if he does, he will be humilated from what the SBVFT have on him. I would say Checkmate. I dont see him winning but we are talking about politics. Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree it has nothing to do with Bush...but then again I didn't go in that direction until after my President was unfairly called into disrepute.

This forum doesn't exist to bash Bush...go to DU for that. Unless you're a subversive Shocked in which case you'll be lucky to get out of here alive Razz

So don't mess with Texas or my President. Cool Ooooo! Them be fighting words!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, I just donated $50.00 to the Swifties...and they deserve every penny and then some. I hope all Swifty supporters do the same. If anyone deserves millions of dollars to run ads in this campaign, the Swift Boar Veterans For TRUTH are it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

President Bush's name should not even be mentioned but now there is
a situation where the left is going to tell the world he is doing this with
the Swiftvets.

The left will push this lie and push this lie until it becomes too big and
is believed by all the liberals and maybe even some of the undecided.

The Swiftvets must get the facts out , where their funding comes from
and the fact that in no way is the president or the republican party
responsible for this campaign by the vets. It is bad for both parties,
Bush because he has had enough of being called a liar, and the vets
will lose credibility if the public thinks they are just another smear machine from the right.

You are underestimating the power of the big msms, to think that ABC,
or any of the left television stations have suddenly changed their minds
and are going to speak the truth is naive. They will do everything they
can to make this the presidents fault, in everyway and we know the truth
is foreign to them and that people believe them.

The war is on, they are going to fight back even though they know the
vets are telling the truth about Kerry. They do not CARE about the
country and it's safety, in any way. They simply want to get rid of
Bush and as many republicans as they can in this election.

They want the power lost when Cllinton was in power, well, if power is a
word we can use in the same sentence with the presidential playboy.
Remember the voters gave him a second term and it was well known
he was and is a liar.

There are people being too quiet here, Kennedy, Pelosi, Daschle,
Carville and Belgua have done their usual outrage, they are lying, it it
the president's fault etc but why are we not hearing from the usual liberal
smear machine, the strident voices screaming about the president?

Where is Hillary, she is being very quiet as well. What is Bill up to?
Why are we not hearing from them? It is very strange, but I think they
have had this plan for waiting and then hitting hard, while putting some
nice-nice on the big networks for one day.

We can not trust the liberals in any way, none. They simply do not
know about the word, integrity. They will fight to win at any cost to the
country and the people who live in it, they have no standards, they will
sink lower than a snakes belly and think it is fine, what ever works.

Never, ever trust them. The knives are coming out and I am sure
the vets knew they would, and will continue to fight, with millions of
people who believe in them. Never feel the war is won until the
other side is totally defeated as in Kerry not becoming president. The
left could bring up something on the day before the election like they
did with the president DUI in the last election. There is still a long way to go and the road will be rough, they disgust me, but I know they are
powerful and it will be watch your back even more time.

I do not like to think like this, but the fact is, sometimes the truth is
harder to get out than the lies when the big msm still control the
country with their left spin in many ways. There are still people out
there who believe them, poor sheep. If any American wants to know
how American came to be hated around the world, consider this,

the liberal media has been in control of the news for many, many years
until the internet actually, so where did peope of the world get information
about America? From the same liberal msm that is now going to call
the president a liar who has set up a nasty smear attack on Kerry. and the
world will see this and hate who? Kerry? No, it will be the president who
has had this crap being sent out about him for four years on a steady
basis, so why do so many of the world hate him? Think about it.

The liberal party has lots of money from Soros and other people and
this must be taken into account. They can fight until the day before the
election in sneaky and underhanded ways and they will.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GIJoel2 wrote:
Now that I can agree with: KERRY NEEDS TO RESIGN/STEP DOWN NOW!!!

I'd prefer he wait until, say, after 15 Sept. or whenever it's legally too late to replace himself with another candidate. The DNC would then have two choices: run nobody, or pull a New Jersy Torrecelli stunt. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd prefer he wait until, say, after 15 Sept. or whenever it's legally too late to replace himself with another candidate. The DNC would then have two choices: run nobody, or pull a New Jersy Torrecelli stunt.


Agreed. Let him implode and Dean-out on Sep 16.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patience! Patience! We don't want this to blow over in another week. I'd say after the convention would be the time to start focusing on Paris and Wintersoldier.
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