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Herb · Last edited by Herb on Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:50 am; edited 1 time in total

Swiftvets 2 -- Kerry 0. (on decided issues)

Kerry loses by on "Christmas in Cambodia" changing his story
FOUR (or more) times in the first week.

Kerry loses on "the other boats left, only I stayed" (for Rassman):

At the Democratic National Convention Senator Kerry closed with
a story in which he claimed that the other boats fled on March 13
after a mine went off, and only he came back.

His campaign is now admitting that he fled and the rest stayed.

They really had no choice since Kerry's pilot Sandusky EXPLAINED
WHY Kerry's boat ran downriver and then returned later, while the
other boats were rescuing the 3-boat and those in the water.

Swiftvets 2 -- Kerry 0.

(Only newly decided issues are scored here even though Kerry
is obviously losing on others that remained to be clearly decided.)
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stealthy · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

Well, what did he say?
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Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

Herb do you have a link to this story?

We need to know exactly what Sandusky said.

Thank you! Smile

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Herb · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:20 am Post subject:

Herb · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:28 am Post subject:

Found this earlier today:

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http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040818-121345-3874r.htm

Mr. Sandusky, in defending Mr. Kerry yesterday, called one accusation
— that Mr. Kerry exaggerated the circumstances surrounding the
rescue of Lt. Rassmann, and in fact fled the scene before turning
around and coming back — "a stretch of the truth so far it's a
bald-faced lie."

"I had to clear the obstructions to let the boat behind me get out of
the way so we could get back over where all the other boats were at.
And the firefight started immediately after the three boat got hit," he
said. "All the remaining four boats were shooting."
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Stripped of Sandusky's intent to absolve Kerry for running away he admits that the other boats stayed fighting until he could return.
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Herb · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:28 am Post subject:

Hannity and O'Neill had this too.

(I couldn't watch until after my wife watched the Olypmics but we have three TiVo devices and I can pretty much catch any channel despite conflicts.)

Hannity claimed that the Washington Post and the Kerry Campaign had admitted the "No man left behind" was false.

I don't know about the Post, but O'Neill also claimed the campaign admitted it -- I heard Sandusky give him up.
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JK · PO3 Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 259

Let's see if the mainstream press reports on another Kerry Lie correction...I expect that we will see more and more corrections by Kerry, he may have been able to lie in the past to the MA citizens with the help of Ted Kennedy but his opposition is formidable this time, he has to discredit a large number of veterans who served with distinction compared to his flawed military career.

Let's start to focus on his war crimes - since he has testified that he has committed war crimes shouldn't he be held accountable??? Or will he use the defense that the status of limitations have expired, he doesn't recall, thank goodness we have videotape history to replay and use against Kerry.

JK

Herb · Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:56 am Post subject:

Minor lie by Kerry:

Yes, I know he lies all the time but this one has been bugging me for a while and it's REALLY obvious and provable but ...oh well...

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

"I had to clear the obstructions to let the boat behind me get out of
the way so we could get back over where all the other boats were at.
And the firefight started immediately after the three boat got hit," he
said. "All the remaining four boats were shooting."

He is dangerously close to admitting that it was only friendly fire that was going on.

Powerboss · Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:50 am Post subject:

I've got the Washington post article which confims he fled, what we need now is proof that he says the others fled and he stayed.

Anyone have that?

Ohio Voter · PO2 Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 360

That is a problem caused by the media who refuse to report the news against Kerry that is being brought out by Swift Boat Vets for Truth. You can't find the story online if it was not put on the Internet or into print. The best way to find quotes is to look for transcripts of interviews.

tngator · Lt.Jg. Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 105 Location: Tn

Kerry Logic: shooting started, so he leaves. Man falls overboard, he turns to retrieve him. Since the other boats hadn't left, he was the only one that 'returned' Laughing

What an idiot.
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Herb · Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject:

That would be at the DNC (among other places) and practically every he said there is taped and transribed.

But I just spend 20 minutes searching there (democrat.org, johnkerry.com, and the web) through Google and didn't find it.

It's likely IN THE MOVIE and I know that is available but I have had trouble finding that before and didn't save the link.

Here's Rassman when he met Kerry(almost direct quotes 12 minutes in):
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/

"I assume [the mine] injured your arm"
"all the other boats left -- they were gone -- around the bend"
"I am a registered Republican"
"I would be surprised if anything he told me was not the truth"

Kerry:
"we didn't know you [rassmann] were gone for a while"

"A remarkable promise"
4 minutes in -- Rassmann only
[url]http://www.johnkerry.com/video/console.php?video=072904_remarkable_promise#072904_remarkable_promise [/url]

Under Fire -- (not here either but LISTEN to the crew, they sure don't sound like they are describing Kerry -- list objectively and try to figure out if they really believe this)
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?video=072604_under_fire

In this one Rassmann claims they were hit (by the mine)
"All the boats were gone"

They list all the diversity on a "boat that size" and based on this they need the WHOLE SQUADRON (served together)

Crewman: "We only had one man wounded and we never lost a man"
(But elsewhere Kerry says he lost people.)
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