SwiftVets.com

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Fairplay,

Just one questions.

If the allegations against John Kerry are false, why doesn't he sign Form 180 authorizing the release of his military and medical records? Very easily done.

If 1/10th of what these guys remember is true, then John Kerry has no right to claim he is one of a band of brothers.

In 1971 he stabbed them in the back (see ad #2). That's him your looking at! That's his voice you are listening to!

Trying to grasp a moral equivalence between the ads and this site with moveon.org, Michael Moore and the other rubbish that is out there is pathetic.

p. s. I believe you have an agenda.
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[kmudd]

Kerry could not have been orded into Cambodia by Nixon in Christmas eve of 1968.Nixon was not telling the American people in Christmas of 68 that American troops were not in Cambodia.Nixon was not even in office. The Khlimer Rouge (spellling) could not have fired on Kerry since they were not even in the field. His spokes people have given about 5 or 6 different versions in the last week alone of what Kerry said happened. Another new one yesterday.

Kerry's spokesman claims Kerry had no intention of meeting the North Vietnamese in 1970 whe he meet with them . Explain how a guy from Mass just accidently runs into the North Vietnamese in Paris France .

[kmudd]

Look at the difference in these two statements.


Boston Globe

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Kerry's statement dealt with the question of whether he was trying to negotiate in Paris as a private citizen and was thus on that "borderline" of what was allowable. A US law forbids citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties. Meehan said Kerry was not negotiating.

"Senator Kerry had no role whatsoever in the Paris peace talks or negotiations," Meehan said in his statement. "He did not engage in any negotiations and did not attend any session of the talks. Prior to his Senate testimony, he went to Paris on a private trip, where he had one brief meeting with Madam Binh and others. In an effort to find facts, he learned the status of the peace talks from their point of view and about any progress in resolving the conflict, particularly as it related to the fate of the POWs."




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After their May 1970 marriage, Kerry traveled to Paris with his wife, Julia Thorne, on a private trip, Meehan said. Kerry did not go to Paris with the intention of meeting with participants in the peace talks or involving himself in the negotiations, Meehan added, saying that while there Kerry had his brief meeting with Binh, which included members of both delegations to the peace talks.

[RocketFett]

Fairplay, after reading your post, I have to point out that typically now a days, people who call themselves "independants" are largely just liberals who don't have the guts to come out and say that they're liberals. Conservatives don't have a problem calling themselves conservatives, but liberals do because they know that most people are not liberal.

I would also point out that it doesn't much reflect true independent thinking when you say that and then bash this site and make accusations about the President, none of which you back up with fact. This site is full to overflowing with facts that back up all the accusations made by the vets in their ads, and in their book. I doubt you have read the book. And you likely haven't seen the ads. And I know you haven't researched the posts on this site, or you wouldn't be able to rationally say the things you did. You were not there. Hundreds of Vets were, and they know kerry is lying. Until you can disprove them, you have no basis on which to stand in calling this site extremist. The Swift Boat Vets use kerry's own words spanning over 30 years, along with their personal first hand accounts, and that includes kerry's entire chain of command, including an Admiral, Captain, Commanders and other officers and enlisted personnel right down the line, some of which were on his boat. The one backing kerry are being paid, and the ones opposing kerry, don't get a dime from the book. It all goes to a Navy/Marine fund. So you really need to do some research before you come in here and attack these vets. Personally I believe you'er a liberal troll, pretending to be a moderate independant, but that's just my opinion. If you want to see some real extremism, there's moore and soros. Blatant lies and unprovable allegations against the President, that are funded by tens of millions of dollars, with no first hand witnesses to back them up, as though somehow the unproven accusation itself is enough to be truthful. THAT is extremism. THIS site, THESE Vets, THOSE ads, and THE book, are all FILLED with provable facts and first hand accounts. The difference between the two is that one, the SBVT are provable truths, and the other, the soros and moore lies, can't back up a single accusation they make. The 9-11 commission final report proved that all of the soros and moore accusations are not backed up by the facts of the evidence at hand. The opposite has happened with these Vets. And it's pretty simple to see.

Case and point, kerry doesn't challenge the points made by the SBVT. He doesn't sue them for slander or libel, which he would if he really thought they were lying. He instead threatens slander and libel suits against the media outlets that aire the ads. And he doesn't release his full and complete military records, because he knows they do not back up his side of the story, and they do back up the SBVT personal accounts of things. End of story. You don't have to believe any of this on this site, but that means you will go on believing a lie. That's your perogative though.

[Jeff Carrington]

ditto Rocket.

[Bhist]

Ditto Rocket and may I had that all Fairplay is doing is attempting to sound fair and tolerant then hit us below the belt. I'd bet money that Fairplay has not posted any such comments on Kerry's or Moore's websites?

What hogwash. Fairplay is the kind of thinking American who voted Clinton in for another four years even though he had one of the most corrupt presidential administrations in history. I for one would rather have a president who does not make decisions based on politics and what the polls say, but instead make decisions based on what he believes is right.

Kerry would be indecisive except for what the polls say. That is not the kind of president we need in a time of war. Kerry is a despicable liar just as Clinton was and because of that I will vote for Bush!!
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[Jungle_rat]

The truth means absolutely nothing to the Left....it's as expendable as integrity, honor, dignity and national pride.

They see no difference between right and wrong, good and evil, and condescendingly laugh at those of us who do believe in these antiquated notions.

We'll never get through to them with reason and rhetoric. We just need to let truth do it's work and have faith in God that it will work.
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[ccr]

Fairplay appears to have adopted the Kerry tested heroic battle tactic of fleeing.
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[Fairplay]

Y'all are missing my point. I was never in Vietnam and I am in no way belittling those of you who were or have loved ones who were. God bless you! If this is an important issue to you, ok by me. It just isn't that important to me. I posted basically the same post on a left-wing board and got blasted from that side of the table....hence the theme of my post. I'm just looking for a board where I can get an even, honest and civil exchange of ideas in order to try to make up my mind who to vote for instead of dogmatic repsonses like "just read the book". Guess I better keep looking.

[LewWaters]

Fairplay, please note, we are here to state our feelings about John Kerry and his unsuitableness to serve as Commander in Chief. There are sites where they support him. Neither will make up your mind for you, that's up to you.

I encourage you to seach what has been said here, order the book "Unfit for Command," and compare it to what his supporters are saying. Also, please make note of who keeps changing stories versus who keeps saying the same thing.

For some, selecting the right candidate can be challenging. For some, it's crystal clear. The main thing is to orient yourself as well as you possibly can with the issues and the candidates, then cast your ballot.

Good luck.
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[mr_mechanical]

Fairplay,

If you carefully read the responses here, you would see answers to your questions -- enough to guide you in your quest to find the truth.

[Grampa]

[Lee Gauge]

In my opinion, this board and the entire Swift Boat movement is fair play - despite the current attempts to link them with the GOP. While I don't doubt there are strong republican supporters in the movement, these guys are speaking from the heart. I don't consider them extremists; I'm glad they are weighing in. What could be more fair than logical arguments backed by heartfelt concern? As an independent voter, it is refreshing to get their unique insight.

While walking in Boston yesterday, a young woman wearing a DNC banner approached me. I generally would give her a few moments to hear what she had to say, but she turned me off with her first sentence. Her opening line was "Do you want to help get rid of Bush?" Now, I didn't vote for Bush in 2000, hence I'm usually not offended when I hear folks rail on him. But in this case it really irked me because I was expecting to hear something like "Do you want to help elect John Kerry." It is subtle difference I suppose, but her negative approach embodied the problem with the DNC. I told her that I wanted nothing to do with her.

The incident bothered me all morning and it reminded me why I don't really get involved, nor contribute to political campaigns. Then I saw the article on MSNBC trying to link the Swift Boat movement to the GOP. This was too much. It seems obvious to me that if you make your military career a mainstay of candidacy, then you should expect some criticism from those you served with. It is more obvious given the stance Kerry took when he left Vietnam. I considered the attack on the swift boat vets the bottom of a very negative campaign. They are making a feeble attempt to dampen an issue that resonates with veterans.

The proximity of these two events have really depressed me. I believe the swift boat guys are telling the truth, and I don't like the idea that a political party can shut them down. Accordingly, I cheered myself up by making the first "political" contribution of my life. It seemed only fair that the swift boat guys get some support from someone who appreciates their zeal.
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