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stoked
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 Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictures |
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| Politicians and non-profit peace-political action groups should be required to get written permission from soldiers and/or their families BEFORE they are allowed to USE their images for their own unscrupulous activities, including the so called peace protests and memorials that are really just a Bush bashing, hate America spewing propaganda compaign. I am sure that most who have died would really object to having their images being used in this way and NOT for something positive and supportive to their families and our troops. God Bless America! |
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betsyross18
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| stoked wrote: | | Politicians and non-profit peace-political action groups should be required to get written permission from soldiers and/or their families BEFORE they are allowed to USE their images for their own unscrupulous activities, including the so called peace protests and memorials that are really just a Bush bashing, hate America spewing propaganda compaign. I am sure that most who have died would really object to having their images being used in this way and NOT for something positive and supportive to their families and our troops. God Bless America! |
I'm sure you will write a similar note telling them to get written permission from the families of WTC victims before using their flag-draped stretchers in his campaign ads. Oh yes, and permission from the firefighters carrying those stretchers. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| betsyross18 wrote: | | Oh yes, and permission from the firefighters carrying those stretchers. |
Got news for ya, lil miss patriotic - most of the firefighters in this country would be proud to stand in a George Bush commercial.
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Real_Patriot
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| stoked wrote: | | Politicians and non-profit peace-political action groups should be required to get written permission from soldiers and/or their families BEFORE they are allowed to USE their images for their own unscrupulous activities, including the so called peace protests and memorials that are really just a Bush bashing, hate America spewing propaganda compaign. I am sure that most who have died would really object to having their images being used in this way and NOT for something positive and supportive to their families and our troops. God Bless America! |
Did the Swift Boat Vets get Barker and Dobson's permission to use their likenesses in their smear campaign, including the Photoshop-altered picture at http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2/PressR2.jpg ? Let's see that "written permission" posted here. |
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Real_Patriot
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | betsyross18 wrote: | | Oh yes, and permission from the firefighters carrying those stretchers. |
Got news for ya, lil miss patriotic - most of the firefighters in this country would be proud to stand in a George Bush commercial. |
Kerry Receives Endorsement of Firefighters
Fire Fighters Say Kerry Embraces Their Values
September 24, 2003
The 260,000 members of the International Association of Fire Fighters voted to endorse John Kerry today, providing him with support from one of America’s most politically active national unions.
“John Kerry represents the values that we, as fire fighters, embody and embrace,” said IAFF President Harold Schaitberger. “Just as fire fighters have been hailed as heroes for their courage and their sacrifice, so has John Kerry been decorated as a war hero and recognized by his peers and his nation for his guts and his bravery.”
The International Association of Fire Fighters has more than 2,900 affiliates, representing fire fighters in every state and Congressional district in the U.S. Its members are the nation’s full-time professional fire fighters and paramedics, who protect the lives and property of 80 percent of the nation’s population.
“At a time like this we need someone with vision, integrity and experience to pull us out of this economic decline. And, the International Association of Fire Fighters knows that John Kerry has what it takes to do the job. He is a proven leader. He knows how to navigate Washington. He learned the hard way in Vietnam, in the courtroom, and in the halls of the U.S. Senate. We trust John Kerry because he is one of us. John Kerry can win and he will win,” said Schaitberger.
“I am honored that today firefighters have pledged to stand with me in this campaign.
And I pledge that, if I’m elected, I will stand with firefighters – and fight for firefighters – every day that I am in the White House. I will go to the Oval Office every morning knowing that my job is to help you do yours – so that together, we can make America safer, stronger and more secure,” said Kerry. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| Real_Patriot wrote: |
Kerry Receives Endorsement of Firefighters
Fire Fighters Say Kerry Embraces Their Values
September 24, 2003
The 260,000 members of the International Association of Fire Fighters voted to endorse John Kerry today, providing him with support from one of America’s most politically active national unions.
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The IAFF does not even represent its own 263,000 members, much less the 1.2 MILLION firefighters in this country.
Don't believe me? Just ask around - cops and firefighters are traditionally law-and-order conservatives in their voting, no matter what their unions do.
IAFF Schaitberger has been a "politician" since he first put on a pair of turnouts - his union's early endorsement (without a poll of the rank and file) was rewarded with a chairmanship on Kerry's campaign.
Got his eyes on being the SEC of Labor in a Kerry administration.
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Real_Patriot
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | Real_Patriot wrote: |
Kerry Receives Endorsement of Firefighters
Fire Fighters Say Kerry Embraces Their Values
September 24, 2003
The 260,000 members of the International Association of Fire Fighters voted to endorse John Kerry today, providing him with support from one of America’s most politically active national unions.
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The IAFF does not even represent its own 263,000 members, much less the 1.2 MILLION firefighters in this country.
Don't believe me? Just ask around - cops and firefighters are traditionally law-and-order conservatives in their voting, no matter what their unions do.
IAFF Schaitberger has been a "politician" since he first put on a pair of turnouts - his union's early endorsement (without a poll of the rank and file) was rewarded with a chairmanship on Kerry's campaign.
Got his eyes on being the SEC of Labor in a Kerry administration. |
That's a rather blanket characterization of millions of firefighters, police and first responders. Actually, cops and firefighters tend to be less knee-jerk in their voting than the general public -- a greater proportion are independent voters and will consider each candidate on their merits rather than party affiliation.
Schaitberger himself states that his union tends to vote about 43% Republican, 40% Democratic, and the rest as independents. He also estimates his union endorsement typically represents about 65% of the union membership votes in the election. As the union that has backed more Republicans than any other in the country, and backed several Republicans in the Congressional elections in 2002, he sounds much more concerned with endorsing the candidate that most shares his people's priorities. To be fair, the turning point may have been when Bush used firefighters' images in his campaign ads, while simultaneously vetoing funding to improve firefighters' equipment, training and health care. The IBPO and IUPA cited similar reasons when they endorsed Kerry. But you seriously think Schaitberger was betraying his hundreds of thousands people to try to land a position in a Kerry administration, by endorsing Kerry when he was near the bottom of the pack in the Democratic primaries, at a time when Bush had a double-digit lead in presidential polls over the Democrats? Are ALL these police and firefighter unions somehow getting away with betraying huge Republican majorities to try and land positions in Kerry's cabinet? What does it say when all these law-and-order types, who have dedicated their lives to safeguarding the public, are actively opposed to another four years of George Bush?
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mikest
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| Quote: | Kerry Backed By Police Group That Supported Bush
May 14, 2004
Bloomberg
by Jay Newton-Small and Kristin Jensen
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry won the endorsement of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, a 12,000-member group that backed President George W. Bush in the 2000 election.
Bush's budget cuts to law enforcement programs made it harder for police to do their jobs, said David Holway, president of the Quincy, Massachusetts-based organization. “He's been long on rhetoric and short on performance,” Holway said. A spokesman for Bush's campaign said the president has provided “unprecedented” support for police. |
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fortdixlover
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | Real_Patriot wrote: |
Kerry Receives Endorsement of Firefighters
Fire Fighters Say Kerry Embraces Their Values
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The IAFF does not even represent its own 263,000 members, much less the 1.2 MILLION firefighters in this country |
Navy Navy, I have been in a position of medical authority working with unionized labor outside of the military (and not at Dix/McGuire!). The corruption and leftist agenda of the union in many ways endangered the public, and resulted in a few "train wrecks" that killed people in that industry. |
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retire05
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 12:28 am Post subject: Just for you, Real Patriot |
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Perhaps you should visit the site:
http://www.firefightersforbush.com
This site is just a few months old, if that. More and more firefighters are getting sick of Harold Schaitberger and his leftest friends. And I promise you, Kerry better hang on to Schaitberger now, because Schaitberger is on his way out.
There are "firefighters for Bush" bumper stickers everywhere you go. Any major city. And they are sick of Schaitberger's ways and their union dues going to support Kerry as many of them are ex-military.
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LewWaters
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| Shouldn't union heads have the permission of the membership prior to issuing statements of support for any political candidate? |
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retire05
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That is what Firefighters For Bush are angry about. Their dues include the money donated to political campaign funds and they were not asked who they wanted to support.
The laws say that if you choose not to donate to a union's political coffers, you have the right to have your dues reduced by that amount. But that is not the way unions work. They take the money and only if you demand to have the reduction will they give it to you. My spouse asked the union what portion of the due were going into the political coffers. Guess what? Never got an answer.
In some states, you MUST be a member of a union, i.e. IAFF, to get the job or remain on the job. Other states, like Texas, for one, are right to work states and you do not have to belong to the unions. Either to get or keep a job. The law also says that if you chose to not join the union, and there are contract negotiations, the union has to represent you as well. Even in other matters.
Watch this FFFB site grow. Just read some of the posts and you will understand what I am talking about. |
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betsyross18
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | betsyross18 wrote: | | Oh yes, and permission from the firefighters carrying those stretchers. |
Got news for ya, lil miss patriotic - most of the firefighters in this country would be proud to stand in a George Bush commercial. |
In that case, he shouldn't have any problem at all getting their permission. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Written Permission Should Be Obtained Before Using Pictu |
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| Real_Patriot wrote: | | Schaitberger himself states that his union tends to vote about 43% Republican, 40% Democratic, and the rest as independents. |
That was before this election and well before John Kerry became the heir-apparent to the nomination.
| Quote: | | He also estimates his union endorsement typically represents about 65% of the union membership votes in the election. |
What does that even MEAN, when the numbers he's talking have no relevance to now? 
| Quote: | | To be fair, the turning point may have been when Bush used firefighters' images in his campaign ads, while simultaneously vetoing funding to improve firefighters' equipment, training and health care. |
Well, you just proved again that you don't know what you're talking about.
It was the IAFF leadership who became "outraged" at the use of firefighters in the Bush ads, not most firefighters themselves.
Its outrage was carefully orchestrated in Kerry campaign headquarters, along with the scripted spokesmen for 9-11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows.
Unlike the latter, however, the IAFF wasn't funded by or through the Heinz Tides Foundation - it had all the FIREPAC cash it needed - collected from its membership.
And the veto that you're talking about? You just MIGHT want to do a little research into that particular issue before you shoot yourself in the foot, again.
| Quote: | | The IBPO and IUPA cited similar reasons when they endorsed Kerry. But you seriously think Schaitberger was betraying his hundreds of thousands people to try to land a position in a Kerry administration, by endorsing Kerry when he was near the bottom of the pack in the Democratic primaries, at a time when Bush had a double-digit lead in presidential polls over the Democrats? |
That's exactly what I'm saying. "Sold out."
| Quote: | | Are ALL these police and firefighter unions somehow getting away with betraying huge Republican majorities to try and land positions in Kerry's cabinet? |
I haven't done any research into the other unions, and I won't speculate as to the motives of their leaders.
I do know that this particular union did NOT poll its membership and it has stirred up a hornet's nest.
Yes, there are some firefighters who are "good union men" and will vote the way their union tells them to vote. They will call other firefighters "scabs" and "traitors" when anyone dares to voice support of the President.
Most, however, are not one-issue voters. They put the good of the country before their wallets. "To protect and defend" goes beyond their own communities to the country at large, and they'd like to ensure that the war on terror continues to be taken to the enemy before the enemy can bring mass-cas situations to us.
They're the ones who will have to deal with them, when they hit.
| Quote: | | What does it say when all these law-and-order types, who have dedicated their lives to safeguarding the public, are actively opposed to another four years of George Bush? |
It says that THEIR UNIONS are partisan toward Democrats - particularly the AFL-CIO - even when it's contrary to the opinions of their membership.
But, there are Cops for Bush and Firefighters for Bush movements springing up all over the country.
Normally, union members don't pay much attention to it when their union endorses a candidate that they don't agree with. They quietly vote their consciences and move on.
But this is one endorsement that the rank and file isn't going to take lying down.
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