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Chuck54 PO1
Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 466
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: Kerry defender Rood contradicted by Crewmate |
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1196567/posts
I knew there had to be more to this story. _________________ "And no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often, than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry"
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stealthy Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 237
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record the text of the eulogy I gave for my friend, Thomas M. Belodeau, on November 10, 1997.
"There was the time we were carrying Special Forces up a river and a mine exploded under our boat sending it 2 feet into the air. We were receiving incoming rocket and small arms fire and Tommy was returning fire with his M-60 machine gun when it literally broke apart in his hands. He was left holding the pieces unable to fire back while one of the Green Berets walked along the edge of the boat to get Tommy another M-60. As he was doing so, the boat made a high speed turn to starboard and the Green Beret kept going--straight into the river. The entire time while the boat went back to get the Green Beret, Tommy was without a machine gun or a weapon of any kind, but all the time he was hurling the greatest single string of Lowell-Chelmsford curses ever heard at the Viet Cong. He literally had swear words with tracers on them!"
Congressional Record: January 28, 1998 (Senate) Page S186-S18
So, it wasn't a explosion that threw him out?
Rood's account is much ado about nothing. _________________ American Conservative |
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Navy wife Research Director
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 353 Location: Arlington, VA & Ft. Worth, TX
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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I had forgotten this story! Someone needs to send it to Rood! |
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Bostonian Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 81
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Rood was talking about a different incident, not the 13 Mar 69 one. |
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jwb7605 Rear Admiral
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 690 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: |
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stealthy wrote: | Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record the text of the eulogy I gave for my friend, Thomas M. Belodeau, on November 10, 1997.
"There was the time we were carrying Special Forces up a river and a mine exploded under our boat sending it 2 feet into the air. We were receiving incoming rocket and small arms fire and Tommy was returning fire with his M-60 machine gun when it literally broke apart in his hands. He was left holding the pieces unable to fire back while one of the Green Berets walked along the edge of the boat to get Tommy another M-60. As he was doing so, the boat made a high speed turn to starboard and the Green Beret kept going--straight into the river. The entire time while the boat went back to get the Green Beret, Tommy was without a machine gun or a weapon of any kind, but all the time he was hurling the greatest single string of Lowell-Chelmsford curses ever heard at the Viet Cong. He literally had swear words with tracers on them!"
Congressional Record: January 28, 1998 (Senate) Page S186-S18
So, it wasn't a explosion that threw him out?
Rood's account is much ado about nothing. |
In some other post, there's a link to the Washington Post "illustration" of the layout of things that day.
I think I remember, looking at the graphic, that if Kerry's boat had turned to starboard, he'd have run up the bank of the river.
I'm not sure what needs to be investigated here ... the testimony, or how the Post came up with the scenario. |
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llano Seaman
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 157 Location: Llano Estacado
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: |
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40085
SNIP
Quote: | According to Rood, Kerry told him and another officer that, in the event of an ambush, the three boats would turn into the attackers and beach their crafts. This is not at odds with the "Unfit for Command" story, which explains that the tactic was pre-planned and coordinated with other crew members and officers.
Rood also confirms that it was another of three swift boats touring together that day that actually beached at the ambush site, not Kerry's boat. It was Doug Reese and other troops, not Kerry, who disembarked, killed some Viet Cong and captured some weapons.
None of the participants from Reese's boat received any Silver Stars. |
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Quote: | Meanwhile, early press reports by the Associated Press and Reuters are wildly misrepresenting the facts outlined by Rood. The Associated Press report confused the incident, for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, with another one for which he won the Bronze Star. Reuters stated Rood's account "said the tales told by Kerry's detractors are untrue." In fact, Rood is dealing with only one very small part of the case against Kerry.
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tvaughan Seaman
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 182
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I think that should read
Quote: | MR. KERRY: Mr. President... |
Those are Kerry's words, putting his eulogy into the congressional record. This is Kerry speaking, not Rood. This is Kerry's story which is yet another version of the "No Man Left Behind" story where Rassman falls out of the boat (He is the Green Beret in question).
First he neglects to mention the guy who helped him in his Silver Star citation, then he uses the guy's death to get a little press about how sensitive he is on the senate floor.
I would have felt better about what could have been a gracious eulogy for his friend if that eulogy wasn't a lie and didn't make Kerry look so damn brave and heroic. _________________ Talking point #1: Sign 180
Talking point #2: Sign 180
Talking point #3: Sign 180 |
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tvaughan Seaman
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 182
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Meanwhile, early press reports by the Associated Press and Reuters are wildly misrepresenting the facts outlined by Rood. |
Remember how the press reported that the 9/11 Commissions directly contradicted the Bush administration by saying that there was no link between Terrorist and Iraq?
This went on for several news cycles before the 9/11 commission had to come back and say that they said no such thing! The New York Time even had to retract their headlines.
There was no analysis involved. They were reporting off a black and white report in their hands and claimed that it said something that it didn't.
Expect the same with Rood. "Chicago Reporter proves the Swift Boats are Frauds!"
[/quote] _________________ Talking point #1: Sign 180
Talking point #2: Sign 180
Talking point #3: Sign 180 |
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hanna Rear Admiral
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Well gee, I wasn't confused afterall. Rudd's statement did mix-up the two events. How funny:) |
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cipher Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Well gee, I wasn't confused afterall. Rudd's statement did mix-up the two events. How funny:) |
No, you're still confused. It wasn't Rood that was confused, it was the AP account of Rood's account that was confused.
Still confused? (cue the theme from "Soap") You won't be... _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
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hanna Rear Admiral
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:41 am Post subject: |
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WHACK!!! |
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IpsoFacto Seaman
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 163
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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dont worry, Brit Humme or someone else at Fox (the only network that people actually watch ) will pick it up and bring it up in the "grape vine" or something.
Long live the Liberal Media!! |
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Spiess Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 246
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:49 am Post subject: |
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You know its really sad the only news channel I can stomache is Fox, has anyone sent any info to Brit? it needs to be done, I can doit but Im not versed well on this specific issue. |
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Scott Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1603 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Spiess,
Rest assured, Brit Hume has been bombarded with e-mails regarding this issue. Ever since he read Unfit for Command, he has been hammering the Fox All-Stars (especially Juan Williams ), the Kerry campaign and reporting good news, without "allegedlies", about the book's and (first) ad's effects. _________________ Bye bye, Boston Straggler! |
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efuseakay Ensign
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 64
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Worldnet Daily has a take on this, and a response from Corsi...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40085
Kerry supported by Viet comrade
'Unfit' author sees little contradiction between swift boat book, new report
Posted: August 21, 2004
5:42 p.m. Eastern
By Joseph Farah
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON -- The co-author of the best-selling book "Unfit for Command" says today's statement by a Chicago Tribune editor and former swift boat commander does not substantively contradict his findings about John Kerry's Silver Star.
William Rood, 61, said he decided to break his silence today about the Feb. 28, 1969, mission because recent reports of Kerry's actions in that battle are incorrect and darken the reputations of veterans who served with Kerry, according to a report in the Chicago Tribune.
However, the account of the incident is different from the one presented in "Unfit for Command" by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi more in tone than in substance.
According to Rood, Kerry told him and another officer that, in the event of an ambush, the three boats would turn into the attackers and beach their crafts. This is not at odds with the "Unfit for Command" story, which explains that the tactic was pre-planned and coordinated with other crew members and officers.
Rood also confirms that it was another of three swift boats touring together that day that actually beached at the ambush site, not Kerry's boat. It was Doug Reese and other troops, not Kerry, who disembarked, killed some Viet Cong and captured some weapons.
None of the participants from Reese's boat received any Silver Stars.
Rood also agrees with the book's account that Kerry's boat, along with his own, continued downstream until it was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade.
The only significant difference in the accounts is that Rood believes the young Viet Cong attacker, killed by Kerry, was a grown adult, not a teen-ager as other eyewitnesses report in "Unfit for Command."
"Nothing Rood says regarding how the action develops calls into question the main conclusions we reached in 'Unfit for Command,'" Corsi, co-author of the book, told WND. "Nothing in Rood's statement disputes the structure of how the event developed as recounted in 'Unfit for Command.'"
The authors of "Unfit for Command" also question the wisdom of the tactic of beaching the small boats, because it left crewmen helpless in the event of a larger attack and rendered useless their most effective weapons – 50-caliber machine guns – because they could not be used for fear of hitting beached crewmen.
Corsi added: "We are pleased Rood has come forward and we welcome complete disclosure and debate on all details of Kerry's military service. Many of these questions could be answered if Senator Kerry would only sign Standard Form 180 and authorize the full and complete release of his military records as we have requested."
Corsi said his co-author John O'Neill, who was traveling today, is still studying the Rood statement. Corsi said he was responding as the book's editor and the man who interviewed the Swift Boat Vets.
Rood said allegations that Kerry's accomplishments were overblown are untrue and that Kerry developed an attack strategy that was praised by their superiors.
But the main point of the book is that Kerry's superiors relied exclusively on after-action reports written by Kerry.
The Kerry campaign has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, alleging the Swift Boat Veterans group is coordinating its ads with the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign has denied the claim and has refused to condemn the book and the group's TV ads.
Rood wrote that Kerry recently contacted him and other crew members, requesting that they go public with their accounts of what happened that February day.
Rood declined interview requests even from reporters from his own news organization.
When the Tribune asked O'Neill for his response to Rood's account, O'Neill said the former swift boat skipper's version of events is not substantially different from what appeared in his book.
Meanwhile, early press reports by the Associated Press and Reuters are wildly misrepresenting the facts outlined by Rood. The Associated Press report confused the incident, for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, with another one for which he won the Bronze Star. Reuters stated Rood's account "said the tales told by Kerry's detractors are untrue." In fact, Rood is dealing with only one very small part of the case against Kerry.
Reuters' report also attributed the Swift Boat Veterans' criticism of Kerry to "Republicans." In fact, the vets have said repeatedly many in their ranks are Democrats and independents.
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Media reports Rood's story contradicts the Swifties in every way imaginable, while in reality, it actually reinforces what they have been saying all along... gotta love it... |
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