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ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Geez...we had the rapid response team up and quick here on this one didnt we?!

Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

paideia,

Don't you DARE put words in my mouth or claim I said something I didn't say!

(Troll Alert)

You said:

paideia · Former Member Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

Sorry, Polaris, I thought that by calling the Post article "very good" you were agreeing in substance with it's conclusions. My apologies for misquoting you.

paideia · Former Member Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

By the way, what does "Troll alert" mean?

You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

paideia,

1. There was no ambush.

2. The reason Kerry had to turn around was that he left in the first place. The other four boats DID NOT LEAVE.

3. The crew of another boat was within a few yards of Rassmann, ready to pull him out, when Kerry heaved on the scene.

Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

padiea,

Just because I called the article good, doesn't mean it's right. The Washington Post is unabashedly pro-Kerry and this journalist is as well. This severely slants anything he writes. The point is, however, that his account is inconsistant with the (lack of) physical evidence.

As I said before, had their been enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire (i.e. AK 47s), the boats should have resembled swiss cheese. That is not supported by the records.
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You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

"Troll alert"

means a troll has been spotted. You're beginning to look like one, you're just more subtle than most.

kmudd · Master Chief Petty Officer Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 825

paideia , what do you think about Kerry's Cambodia claims?

paideia · Former Member Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

I'm sorry, I honestly don't know what it means to be a "troll" in this context. I can imagine something from Lord of the Rings and understand its not flattering but I'd aprpeciate some specifics... Smile

And thanks for the clarifications on the physical evidence piece. That wasn't the majority of what I had read as constituting the debate.

ASPB · Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject:

paidea,

Why don't answer reasonable questions posed to you. your behavior is troll like for all you denials.
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Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

Paideia,

That's because most journalists are not military types. The fact is that if you have ever fired an assault rifle, and you looked at the distances involved, then you know just how easy those boats would be to hit...not to mention the men on them. There is a good reason why Swiftboat duty was so dangerous.

As for why you don't see it on the Main Stream Media, I will answer that:

Bias

In fact one Newsweek reporter flatly said that the media wanted Kerry to win and that would be worth 15 points to him. I laughed it off at the time....I always figured the media was slanted but not terribly so...until this. What has happened here is a travesty. Reporters should be all over the point I am raising here.

They aren't. They aren't becuase it would show that Kerry couldn't possibly be telling the truth.
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Sun Tzu · Seaman Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 169

paideia · Former Member Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

Ok, still don't know what Troll is, but I'll let that go. The only question I heard had to do with Kerry and Cambodia. Let me know if there were others.

From my reading of the various reports on this topic (in other words, IMHO), it's quite clear that Kerry was not where he said he was on Christmas of 1968. This is of interest because this is also the time when he describes deciding to take action against future Vietnams. He said, "I have that memory which is seared — seared — in me that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's way we have a responsibility in the U.S. Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict."

Assuming that we all agree on my basic outline of the controversy, my opinion is as follows. I'm disturbed that he made the mistake he did. I wish that he had admit to the mistake earlier. I don't know that such a mistake reflects negatively on his larger efforts before congress unless you believe those efforts to wrong in substance.

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ccr · Commander Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325

Sun Tzu, thank you.

That graphic really helped me understand how much coordination is going on in this battle as well. Can you post the URL for that?
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kmudd · Master Chief Petty Officer Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 825

This fake Cambodia story was according to him what caused him not to trust the government .This week alone his spokespeople have changed the story four or five times.Which means they lied four or five times. That is four or five lies just this week,not 35 years ago. Do you think that Kerry didn't intend to meet with the VC and North Vietnamese when he flew to Paris and met with them ? That is the claim of Kerry's spokesman. Doesn't that sound like a lie? And if he is lying about that why should we believe anything Kerry claims about the meeting?