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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: Temp. Topic - citations for SS & Bronze - LARGE FILES |
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I edited the images to clean up the Official Copy Stamp and make the file sizes smaller. I also tried to get rid of the Xerox "speckles"
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air_vet PO2
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Here is a list of Secretary of the Navy to add some time sense to the files:
John H. Chafee
January 31, 1969 - May 4, 1972
John W. Warner
May 4, 1972 - April 8, 1974
J. William Middendorf
April 8, 1974 - January 20, 1977
W. Graham Claytor, Jr.
February 14, 1977 - August 24, 1979
Edward Hidalgo
October 24, 1979 - January 20, 1981
John Lehman
February 5, 1981 - April 10, 1987
James H. Webb
May 1, 1987 - February 23, 1988
Please note that John Lehman's tenure covered the start of Kerry's senate career and was FAR after the SS medal event. |
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ord33 Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:32 am Post subject: |
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The first citation states it also has the "V" for valor. Someone on this site has previously said this is not possible or is incredibly rare. I am certainly no expert in this area. Any comments from those who know?! From what I can tell, the "V" has been removed in the 2nd and 3rd Citations.
Whoops. I think I made a mistake. I was refering to the DD214 which states the Silver Star "V"
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: |
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There is no V device for a Silver Star. The award is only awarded for valor in combat just like the Navy Cross and the CMH. Whoever wrote the "V device" citation didn't know the rules. A politician maybe......? _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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stylin19 Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Good Greif ! Am I'm reading this right ? He beached his boat twice in the same action ? _________________ U.S.M.C. - 1969-1971
RVN- 1970-1971 |
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Dane Lt.Jg.
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: Beaching |
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Yes, he was doubly idotic if this is true. He should have been relieved of duty.
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Dane Lt.Jg.
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: Citations |
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I have never heard of citations being reissued eleven or more years later just to pretty nearly copy the original and have it signed by SecNav instead of CinCPacFlt. Can anyone think of any sort of rationale for this?
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kate Admin
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HardCorps Ensign
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Navy Navy Navy, Did you want to post the 1st Silver Star Citation? I think it is the linch pin to understanding the distortions of 2&3.
-Also be advised that the 1st citation only has Kerry beaching his PCF once when he kills the lone VC after the initial firefight down stream. The citation states that before the ambush they were headed to an insertion point when he simultaneously coordinated the insertion of the embarked troops. An insertion of troops is not the same as running your boat aground and leaving the infantry aboard which Kerry later did.
- Just a note, Without Kerry's single handedly killing a lone VC, would he still qualify for the Silver Star for the other stuff that day? unlikely
Quote: | Silver Star-The heroic act(s) performed must render the individual conspicuous and well above the standard expected. An accumulation of minor acts of heroism normally does not justify the award
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