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producehawk · PO1 Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 463

O dell should just say "were you there,then shut up" all you are eye wittness to is kerrys VVAW activities.

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rbshirley · Founder Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 394

FrydayNC1 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 23

I thought Van O'Dell did a fine job defending his position. The problem as I have pointed out the other day, is that you can't have the same people praising Kerry one day then denouncing him the next. It does make our case look weak, but Kerry's people are no better. So in the end I would say this interview was a wash. It will be Kerry's post Viet Nam record that will due him in.
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Molon Labe · Seaman Recruit Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 23

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coffee · Founder Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 66

I am 100% sure that if Captain Lonsdale and Captain Elliott (and Admiral Zumwalt) had known in 1996 what they know (and can prove) today that there is absolutely no way that they would have defended John Kerry in 1996.

Navyfam · Seaman Recruit Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 27

I appreciated Mr. Odell's respectful manner unlike Hurley who kept trying to interrupt. He came off as truthful and did get to state that he was there and had an ideal vantage point to view the action. Although he didn't get in the last word, he did get in the last gesture, that of vigorously shaking his head at Hurley's comments. The sincerity meter swings all the way to Odell.
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CeeBeeBratPH · Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject:

Brit Humme shut them all up and received a head nod of agreement from CeCe when he hammered the point that Bush has NOT made his service the cornerstone of his campaign whereas Kerry can't let anyone forget that he served in Viet Nam.

I know it has been been said too many times before but I realize and accept the fact that you served in Viet Nam but what have ya done for me lately, not 35 years ago but how about just within the last 5 years, 5 months, 5 days?

Come On Get Real.

Jack Mclaughlin · PO3 Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 280

Molon Labe you are absolutely right about Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley changing their opinion about Kerry. But what frustrates me is why our spokesmen aren`t saying it. John O`Neill is the best I have ever seen at debating and he needs to take the time to stress to others these important points.

LewWaters · Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject:

The discussion between Hurley and O'Dell was fairly even, in my estimation. Both were asked some hard questions and both had to struggle to support their answers, at times.

To me, the best part was during the panel discussion where Juan WIlliams was losing it and later, when Brit Hume came back and said something to the effect that the only consistency he saw in the whole controversy was that Kerry was an "incorrigible opportunist."
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manofaiki · Former Member Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

You can bet the media is not going to burn rubber tracking down Lonsdale and Elliot for in depth interviews about why they changed their minds on Kerry between 1996 and 2004.

Nope, they will be content to just roll footage of that press conference from 1996 and then roll the first Swift Vet ad.

Lonsdale and Elliot need to swear out their own affidavits and call their own press conferences and clearly state why they have changed their minds about Kerry since the MSM is not going to touch them with a ten foot pole.

I think many MSM journalists KNOW why these two men changed their minds, and avoiding them will keep the story from coming out:

how two admirals backed Kerry until they found out what really happened in that Silver Star incident and discovered that Kerry filed a false report; not to mention the hack job he did on them in his book Tour of Duty.

Lonsdale and Elliot need to put out some effort setting the record straight;

if they sit on their asses waiting for the MSm to track them down and interview them they will be wasting their time.

manofaiki
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"If any man has not the stomach for this fight, let him depart from us.! We would not die in that man's company!"

You bugged out in Vietnam - so we don't need you commanding us in the War on Terror!

So get lost, John Kerry!!!!!

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Wing Wiper · Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject:

I believe the "war crime" charge they were defending Kerry against was that he had shot the Vietnamese soldier behind the hootch in the back while he was unarmed. I can't give you a link to where I read that, sorry, but it sure is stuck in my mind. If I remember correctly, they testified that it was not a war crime, as the soldier was armed and could have turned around at any time and opened fire with the weapon. Can anyone confirm this, or post a link? I'm sure O'Niell remebers it well.