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[GenrXr]

Letter I wrote to a friend of mine after watching this show tonight. What do you think?


Hey J,

Was watching Penn and Teller special on showtime tonight and it was about AA and how terrible of an organization it was. Basically, they do not like the organization because Penn and Teller are secularists and it promotes spirituality beyond the anthropocentric point of view the secularists would prefer. Personally, I cannot stand AA because I think alcohol and drug abuse is about choice and not a disease. But, I also understand with most of the people that abuse alcohol and drugs the most lacking element in their life is their lack of belief in something greater then themselves. We are such a selfish and indulgent people and nowhere in sight do I see us making better inroads to improve this. So if an organization like AA can make some people see something higher then themselves, I have no problem with it. It can only be better for the country. What really got me though was when they stated their STRONG belief in the constitution and the document and all it stands for waving a piece of paper on screen. They proceed to say through the courts the government is making people goto AA. I.e .lose your license or goto AA. They further say the constitution specifically states the government will not mandate religion. WHOAH! When I heard this my anti-america and the constitution radar said locked on. The fact is the constitution states in the first ammendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Nowhere does it speak of mandates by a judicial person in regards to a delinquent. The truth is there will never be laws establishing religion from the bench. I can see the prohibition of religion from the bench but not the promotion of it. The secularists are pushing for a world void of religion down our throats and use in cases like this organizations people can relate to not liking such as AA. It is poor propagnda but I feel it possibly appeals to the ignorant majority.

I have been thinking of starting a website forum board pointing out the popular culture decay most cannot see and gives them eyes. Things of this nature I just pointed out. What do you think?

Damn and I used to like Penn & Teller

Cya J
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[xleatherneck]

Penn Jillette is quite the outspoken atheist. If you don't like some of the things he said on the show you watched, you're definately not going to like some of his other opinions on religion and the first amendment.

If you want a feel for this sort of thing, then go to this forum, and specifically, the "Religion and Philosophy" section:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/index.php?s=

Be warned though...if you are a person of faith or express a belief in God and decide to post as much, then be prepared for a bumpy ride.
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[xleatherneck]

...Coincidentally, in the section titled Politics, Current Events, and Social Issues, there is a thread which discusses the allegations by our own SBVfT, titled Navy buddies say Kerry unfit
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[ccr]

P&T have managed to gore quite a few sacred cows on all sides of the spectrum.

[list=]Recycling
Second Hand Smoke
Psychics
Chiropractic[/list]

The approach of their show BS is simply "prove it".

What they don't get about anything related to faith is that it cannot be proven. Or disproven for that matter. That is in fact the wonderful part of faith.

In many ways, they are more tolerent of those who believe in god than they are of those who promote recycling.
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[GenrXr]

[xleatherneck]

And to add to what GenrXr said, the phrase "seperation of church and state" appear nowhere in the Bill of Rights and in fact came from a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut and authored by none other than Thomas Jefferson.

In context, it is quite clear that Jefferson was addressing the fears of government intrusion into Religion, and not the reverse, which many secularists would like to believe, or have you believe.
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"We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline in an acceptance speech."

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