SwiftVets.com

[jefair]

As far as I can tell, after reading all the source information here, and then reading all the source information at Kerry's site, and at the VVAW site, basically these whole thing boils down to Kerry's anti-war testimony before congress, and specifically that he claimed that atrocities occured during Vietnam. So I look at the source information here that you guys have said discredited Kerry's claim, and I look at the VVAW info that says they have proof of his claims, and I can't tell which one of you actually has accurate research. I'm hearing directly conflicting first-hand accounts of Kerry's service. Each side backs up their argument by "sworn affadavits" which is just another way of saying first-hand testimony. And both sides tell me I should trust them because they said so.

As far as the claims made by Kerry in front of Congress, you guys say you checked it out and it was false, and the VVAW site says that Nixon's administration checked it out, and they couldn't discredit the testimony:

http://www.vvaw.org

[carpro]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Well citing the vvaw site isn't a very good start - that thing is so loaded with lies, I'm amazed it doesn't sink with its own weight.

These are a bunch of people trying to rationalize it away that what they actually helped do was to:

1) Demoralize the troops
2) Erode support for the war at home
3) Promote KGB-generated propaganda throughout our society
4) Gave aid and comfort to the enemy
5) Caused the deaths of millions who were slaughtered when the North Vietnamese overran South Vietnam and the genocides in Laos and Cambodia

How much more do you need to discredit them?
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Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

And as to your question, "Is there any real evidence here?" -

There is so much information here that you couldn't begin to digest it in a week.

The number of bits of data and pieces of eye-witness accounts and how it all fits together is simply boggling.

I definitely recommend that you read the book - because it goes way beyond the medals and the actions that have thus far been the focus of most of the news stories.

Up next - VVAW, Winter Soldier, Consorting with the Enemy....

Stay tuned.
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~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[tvaughan]

[jefair]

Admin Note: Quota for Pro-Kerry Talking Points Exceeded

[PierreLegrand]

From WinterSoldier.com here is a quote from John Kerry. Here he is speaking about the men who are running this website, he is speaking about the men who never came back, he is speaking about people who covered his ass. He broke the trust. If he never did anything else that would be enough for Vets to despise him from what I gather about the Vets I am friends with. One does not spit on people you spill blood with especially when some of that blood was spilt covering your ass.



We established an American presence in most cases by showing the flag and firing at sampans and villages along the banks. Those were our instructions, but they seemed so out of line that we finally began to go ashore, against our orders, and investigate the villages that were supposed to be our targets. We discovered we were butchering a lot of innocent people, and morale became so low among the officers on those 'swift boats' that we were called back to Saigon for special instructions from Gen. Abrams. He told us we were doing the right thing. He said our efforts would help win the war in the long run. That's when I realized I could never remain silent about the realities of the war in Vietnam.
John Kerry in the Washington Star, June 6, 1971
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Owner Bouncer Pink Flamingo Bar Grill
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[LewWaters]

Julia, instead of reading and studying all these conflicting accounts, which alone can confuse anyone, why not drop by your local VA hospital, VFW or American Legion, sit down and talk to the guys that were really there and see what they tell you about Kerry's claims. You might even be fortunate enough to run into some POWs that were held in North Vietnam and hear how they were forced to listen to the words of people like Kerry, Jane Fonda and her ilk, to force them to admit to war crimes.

Do some first hand research and then make up your mind.
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Clark County Conservative

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