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[mtpNY]

What's extremely frustrating is that the spin that seems to gaining traction is that the official contemporaneous documents all support Kerry (in regard to his medals).
It has become the "official military record" versus the undocumented opinions of politically motivated Swift Boat Veterans.

It's never (or hardly ever it seems) pointed out that *all* of the documents have not been released and many of the documents that have been released appear to be self-serving (even written by Kerry himself).

President Bush wasn't allowed to cherry pick which military documents that he wanted to release. He wasn't allowed to *selectively* release only those documents that portrayed him in a positive light.
The press wouldn't have it.
They wanted to see *all* the documents and judge for themselves.
Why isn't Kerry held to this same standard of full disclosure?

President Bush was practically ambushed and made to squirm on "Meet The Press".
Russert persisted (paraphrasing) "Will you agree, right here, to release every document related to your military service?" and wouldn't take no for an answer until the President agreed to do so.
In the following days, the rest of the press corps picked up on the challenge and badgered the President's press secretary/spokesman until the documents were finally released a few days later. Every minute detail was released including dental records (which are now a current hot talking point, i.e Kerry received shrapnel and Bush received fillings). I saw two different Kerry reps use the same line over the weekend.

[LewWaters]

Official Military Records were based off of spot reports and after action reports submitted by John Kerry. Of course they will bear him out, most of the time

His own campaign is having trouble repeating the reports the same. Compare that to the word and eyewitness accounts of over 60 veterans and you'll see what's going on.
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[fortdixlover]

[Polaris]

Everyone,

One thing all of us need to HAMMER in to our letters to papers and on message boards is this:

The official record is the very thing that is disputed!

It is disputed because it is based on false testimony by one (then) LT(jg) Kerry.
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-Polaris

Truth is Beauty

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[25-06]

The media needs fresh meat or they will move on to a new subject. They have all “looked into it” and that is what they have for now. I see them looking for another topic soon.

I agree they don’t seem to be pushing the message that Kerry should release ALL of his records.

I think that someone’s post on another topic was right, they don’t feel comfortable questioning the war record if they themselves did not serve.

To a degree I feel the same, I was never in the military so how could I ever question a veterans record. I think it would be difficult for me personally to stand toe to toe with a pro-Kerry Vietnam era veteran and push the case that he (Kerry) is not worthy of the medals; even though I absolutely believe that Kerry is no worthy.

Now when you get to the next point, the anti-war activism and the perjury to congress by spreading the lies of the Winter Soldier Investigation, that is a different issue, I can and will argue that point to anyone.

Why haven’t any media personalities pointed out that that those investigations (Winter Soldier) have been totally debunked as false testimonies and that Kerry probably knew it at the time?

[neverforget]

Those are so funny, fortdixlover.

[tvaughan]

[ArmyWife]

Hilarious stuff, fortdixlover!

Has anyone looked into the radio logs that Bill Cowan talked about on Fox News a few days ago? What I understood from him is that there is an official log somewhere where the radio operators would contemporaneously write down who said they were under fire and where. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be evidence that might shut up some of these document-worshipping media folks.

[mascari]

[FF1047]

For the bronze star incident ... 5 boats, narrow river, disabled boat for over an hour ... if there was even one VC with a couple of clips the damage report would show plenty of bullet holes ...
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JJC
USNA class of 1980

[PO2]

I have to respectfully disagree with those who state Talking points:

Sign the SF-180

Thee Standard Form - 180 is a request for a person's individual records. Kerry's records will reflect what has been released so far by Kerry himself. The released records will not contain such valuable information as original author of such things as recommendation for award/decoration or after action reports. I admit that it is a good start, but incomplete at best.
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Duty. Honor. Country.
To me, more than just words.

[Robert Cooper]

"The eyes of America" ie, the mainstream media turned the whole issue into a chaotic mess back in the early '70's and their presentation stood as the final word since they were not acountable to anyone. That's not so today because we have unbiased media that is rapidly gaining the confidence of the people as the "The New Eyes of America" while the mainstream media is deteriorating into fashions, recipes, Hollywood gossip and concerts on the malls - they're just a hair away from having the credibility of the National Enquirer. What the biggest complaint by the liberal left - yuppers, it's those "fair and balanced" news networks and talk shows - they just don't like to be watched and having to be accountable to anyone. Contact your local unbiased media and thank them for keeping you informed and holding others to be accountable for their irresponsible journalism.
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Know the difference between Politics and Mesmeratics - one embraces, propagates and promotes the truth, while the other manipulates it!

[Cazador]

Hello,

Time to start asking one pointed question of the media at every opportunity:

Why are you not asking for the 180 from Kerry?

Why are you not demanding as you did of Bush, 180 all of Kerry's records?

What about the 180? (I like that one the best given the direction of his tales from Cambodia).

Keep it simple. Drive it home.

What about the 180?

What about the 180?

What about the 180....?

How about starting a chant at a ballgame? Perhaps signs at the supermarket for the people not looking at the Iternet.

At some point, some bright reporter will sense a mood swing in the public and a good soundbite and will confront Kerry.

Perhaps at the Republican Convention? Dole?

Personally, I'd love to see Bush ram it home in their first debate. "What about the 180?" He'd never do it though.

Time to fire up another commerical -- a simple 10 second spot. Black background with white text.

Okay, rant time ended for today.

Cazador

[manofaiki]

Kerry's boatcrew knows the truth about the Sampan incident no matter what that whitewash 'official report' says.

How long can Kerry's 'band of brothers' live with their conscience?

Notice you are not seeing ANY of these guys the last two weeks? aside from one michael medeiros comment to a reporter about chasing an enemy craft into cambodia but not following it into cambodia, and saying he 'doesn't remember' being in Cambodia with john kerry, his band of brothers has been AWOL from this controversy.

Steve Gardner says he shot a father and a little boy because Kerry wasn't watching the radar. The official report says 4 VC are assumed killed, 2 VC killed for sure and 2 VC CIA (Captured In Action). He waved that official navy report in John Hurley's face a few days ago on Joe Scarbourough's show. Gardner is an eyewitness, he knows what happened.

John Hurley was not there. Tad Devine was not there. Lanny Davis was not there. Michael Meehan was not there. Tom Oliphant was not there.

Kerry was there. Several of his band of brothers were there. But they ain't talkin'.

And soon Kerry's camp is going to try to twist these guys arms and say 'Get out there and appear opposite Steve Gardner, look right at the camera and say " I was in Cambodia with John Kerry." Look America in the eye and say "No little boy died. Those were VC we killed that night. We captured two VC, not a mother and an infant. Steve Gardner, you are LYING.".

That is when these guys will sell whatever is left of their soul to this slick devil in a three - piece suit named John Kerry or that is when they will remember that one day they raised their right hand and swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

And that's when they can go no farther with John Kerry. Like scales falling from their eyes, they will at last see him for what he really is: an opportunist who is using them to become Commander in Chief in a time of war when they know full well he has not the character or the courage for that high office.

Here's hoping when their moment comes, and it is fast approaching, they will remember who they really are.

manofaiki
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"If any man has not the stomach for this fight, let him depart from us.! We would not die in that man's company!"

You bugged out in Vietnam - so we don't need you commanding us in the War on Terror!

So get lost, John Kerry!!!!!