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manofaiki · Former Member Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

Kerry's boatcrew knows the truth about the Sampan incident no matter what that whitewash 'official report' says.

How long can Kerry's 'band of brothers' live with their conscience?

Notice you are not seeing ANY of these guys the last two weeks? aside from one michael medeiros comment to a reporter about chasing an enemy craft into cambodia but not following it into cambodia, and saying he 'doesn't remember' being in Cambodia with john kerry, his band of brothers has been AWOL from this controversy.

Steve Gardner says he shot a father and a little boy because Kerry wasn't watching the radar. The official report says 4 VC are assumed killed, 2 VC killed for sure and 2 VC CIA (Captured In Action). He waved that official navy report in John Hurley's face a few days ago on Joe Scarbourough's show. Gardner is an eyewitness, he knows what happened.

John Hurley was not there. Tad Devine was not there. Lanny Davis was not there. Michael Meehan was not there. Tom Oliphant was not there.

Kerry was there. Several of his band of brothers were there. But they ain't talkin'.

And soon Kerry's camp is going to try to twist these guys arms and say 'Get out there and appear opposite Steve Gardner, look right at the camera and say " I was in Cambodia with John Kerry." Look America in the eye and say "No little boy died. Those were VC we killed that night. We captured two VC, not a mother and an infant. Steve Gardner, you are LYING.".

That is when these guys will sell whatever is left of their soul to this slick devil in a three - piece suit named John Kerry or that is when they will remember that one day they raised their right hand and swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

And that's when they can go no farther with John Kerry. Like scales falling from their eyes, they will at last see him for what he really is: an opportunist who is using them to become Commander in Chief in a time of war when they know full well he has not the character or the courage for that high office.

Here's hoping when their moment comes, and it is fast approaching, they will remember who they really are.
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"If any man has not the stomach for this fight, let him depart from us.! We would not die in that man's company!"

You bugged out in Vietnam - so we don't need you commanding us in the War on Terror!

So get lost, John Kerry!!!!!

4moreyears · Former Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 591

They seem MIA
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kerry returned to the United States on July 22, 1971, held a press conference publicly calling on President Nixon... for the surrender of the United States to North Vietnam.

taz · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:18 am Post subject:

they are not allowed to speak without Kerry's ok. I think it is because Kerry knows they wouldn't be able to hold up their end of the story.

2/22 Inf. Vet 89-92 · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:19 am Post subject:

For me personally, this is all about Kerry, and I haven't developed an anger towards the band of brothers because to me they just look like a bunch of stage props.

You are correct in saying that much hasn't been demanded of them. They very well could coast along and say that they agree with Kerry's assesment without getting into detail. The problem is, who is going to sit them down and ask them the hard questions??

In reality, they could just answer "yes, were with him and what he said is correct." Kerry has said so many things at so many times they could spin it away until someone gets REAL specific with them. In reality, they could shut the whole Swift Vet case down if they had as much info, testimony, and records as Mr. O'Neill, but it just doesn't look that way right now.

Chuck54 · PO1 Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 466

I am hoping they see the light too, but boy it would take a lot of cajones. The DNC monster would be after them like the alien after sigourney, they would need to become protected witnesses, change their identity and hide in obscurity.

Prayers on our part may help them make that courageous choice.
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"And no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often, than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry"

Zell Miller

The Cyber Menace · Seaman Recruit Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 49

Why would these guys have supported Kerry with such enthusiasm if they didn't believe him to be a good leader during the war? IMHO, I think what's more likely is that certain cliques get formed during war. And the people directly surrounding Kerry were likely to see the world around them in the same way Kerry did. (Although very hesitant to do this, remember Platoon?)

Furthermore, even some of the Swift Vets have supported Kerry in past election campaigns.

Perhaps views harden after a while and new revelations sway some and leave others unaffected. But I don't know if I would label Kerry's crewmates as sell-outs, or what have you. Just stickin' with their guy, as is human nature, perhaps.

bach04 · Lieutenant Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 212

I can understand that a man is sticking behind another because they served together. However, the members of the "band of brothers" must have heard kerry's vitriolic lies about atrocities being committed by soldiers ( which they themselves were ).

At what point do you cross that line of friendship and say enough is enough because those comments are affecting the spirit and disrupting the sacred fraternity of all soldiers? I wonder if any of the "band of brothers" had ever thought about sacrificing "frienship" for the greater good of humanity.

manofaiki · Former Member Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

These are not matters of interpretation or perspective. They are facts or they are not.

Either John Kerry took is band of brothers into Cambodia or he didn't.

Either John Kerry and his band of brothers killed a little boy and took onto their boat a mother and infant or they killed two vc and captured two vc.

The band of brothers know the truth, they know whether Steve Gardner and the other SwiftVet's are lying or not.

My point is, if they know Gardner is telling the truth, what happens when Kerry finally gets so desperate he turns to them and says, OK, go out there and lie for me!

manofaiki
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"If any man has not the stomach for this fight, let him depart from us.! We would not die in that man's company!"

You bugged out in Vietnam - so we don't need you commanding us in the War on Terror!

So get lost, John Kerry!!!!!

The Cyber Menace · Seaman Recruit Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 49

Twidget · Seaman Recruit Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 46

Don't forget that Kerry got some of his crewmates out of Vietnam.

fortdixlover · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:54 am Post subject:

ArmyWife · Lieutenant Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 218

joe_madeup · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 92

[I asked for a rundown of the "band of brothers", and Armywife was already answering that part as I was typing! Smile

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A weakness of the UFC book, IMHO, was that it did not have info to account for why some of Kerry's guys do support him.

They have not all been MIA lately. Since UFC came out, we have heard from William Rood (with much MSM spin about how his testimony "discredits" the Swift Vets when it actually supports them).

Also we keep hearing a lot from Rassman (with much MSM spin over how he is a Republican - nothing on how a number of the Swift Vets are Democrats, possibly including Mr. O'Neill at times).

ArmyWife · Lieutenant Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 218

joemadeup, glad I could help! I think that part of this whole story is particularly fascinating...that some of Kerry's Band of Brothers at the convention might have only known him a very short time.

rparrott21 · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:40 am Post subject:

Does Kerry's band of brothers have lives and jobs......Garnder is great, he needs to be on Tv and radio as often as he can....