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Bhist
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 Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:58 pm Post subject: Amendment to Constitution -- Traitors Cannot Serve As Pres |
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I think we should add an amendment to the Constitution that states, “If a person conducts meetings with an enemy of the United States, during a time of war, with the result being either prosecution or not, then that person cannot ever serve as President of the United States.”
Oh yes, why don’t we add to that, “If a person throws their war medals away they can’t serve either.”
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d19thdoc
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Amendment to Constitution -- Traitors Cannot Serve As Pr |
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Bhist wrote: | Quote: | I think we should add an amendment to the Constitution that states, “If a person conducts meetings with an enemy of the United States, during a time of war, with the result being either prosecution or not, then that person cannot ever serve as President of the United States.”
Oh yes, why don’t we add to that, “If a person throws their war medals away they can’t serve either." |
UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > Sec. 2381.
Sec. 2381. - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > Sec. 2388.
Sec. 2388. - Activities affecting armed forces during war
(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or
Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
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Mr. Kerry: “Senator, I would like to add a comment on that. You see the mood is changing over there and a search and destroy mission is a search and avoid mission, and troops don't- you know, like that revolt that took place that was mentioned in the New York times when they refused to go in after a piece of the dead machinery, because it didn't have any value. They are making their own judgments.
There is a GI movement in this country now as well as over there, and soon these people, these men, who are prescribing wars for these young men to fight are going to find out they are going to have to find some other men to fight them because we are going to change prescriptions. They are going to have to change doctors, because we are not going to fight for them. That is what they are going to realize. There is now a more militant attitude even within the military itself . . . “
Congressional Record, 4/22/72, page 208
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mcb58
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14th Amendment Section 3 to U.S. Constitution
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability
Article 3 Section 3 U.S. Constitution
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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d19thdoc
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:16 am Post subject: |
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mcb58 wrote:
| Quote: | Article 3 Section 3 U.S. Constitution
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. |
Does confession in open Senate Committee count?
Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam [Hanoi Communists, ed.] and the Provisional Revolutionary Government [Viet Cong, ed.] and of all eight of Madam Binh's [Madame Win Thi Binh, the Viet Cong Foreign Minister, ed.] points it has been stated time and time again . . .
Congressional Record, 4/22/72, page 186
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mcb58
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John Kerry was giving testamony in 1971 and was active in VVAW.
He was not discharged until 1973
WE WAS GIVING COMFORT AND/OR AID TO THE
ENEMY WHILE HOLDING A COMMISSION IN THE
UNITED STATES NAVY.
NOW THE COURSE OF ACTION SHOULD BE TO HAMMER ON THE TREASONOUS ACTS WHILE HE WAS A RESERVIST,AND STILL A COMMISIONED OFFICER OF THE UNITED STATES, NO?
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d19thdoc
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My two posts of Kerry's testimony have the wrong date and reference to the Congressional Record. It was, as others have it, 4/22/71, not 1972.
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Polaris
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: |
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mcb58,
Kerry wasn't discharged from the Inactive Ready Reserve until 1978. That meant he still held a commission during all of this. This is per John Kerry's own site.
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Son Of The Godfather
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Ok, who's filing the motion?
What needs to be done to have these things upheld?
Honestly, does anyone know why those sections should NOT apply to Kerry?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: |
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You wouldn’t believe the beer party I would have if he was ever charged with this. 
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Son Of The Godfather
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| BC wrote: | | You wouldn’t believe the beer party I would have if he was ever charged with this. |
"beer party"?!?... OK, I'm sold... looking to file charges online right now! Party at BC's place!
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PS: Anyone seriously know why those sections of the Contitution don't apply to Mr. Kerry?
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