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Jungle_rat
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| Quote: | | But hey, what's this new attack that O'Neil was in Cambodia? My thinking is who the heck cares? |
It speaks to O'Neill's credibility. However, O'Neill hasn't based his entire career on such a statement.
We all exaggerate and embellish, but there's a massive difference between casual embellishment and being a pathological liar and slanderer under oath, or as an elected official....a difference which is completely lost on the "more nuanced and sophisticated " libs.
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Steve Z
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:43 am Post subject: Hannity & Colmes |
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Michael Dobbs on Hannity & Colmes stated that he didn't know whether John Kerry wrote the after-action report for the 3/13/69 incident, to determine whether Kerry or the other Swiftvets (especially Thurlow) are telling the truth.
NavyChief posted on this website an excellent, detailed analysis which showed (according to numbers appearing on the after-action report) that Kerry wrote the report, but nobody can expect a non-Navy journalist to decipher this from the numbers which appear on the report.
Is it possible for Navy Chief to officially declare before a friendly forum (Hannity, Rush, Brit Hume, etc.) that he can prove that Kerry wrote the report, which is why "Navy records" agree with Kerry's version of things?
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fortdixlover
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| mtpNY wrote: | I love it when Kerry compared himself to Martin Sheen in "Apocalypse Now".
He actually made the specific comparison in regard to his excursions into Cambodia.
Sneaking his way into Cambodia on super secret, dangerous, stealth missions to save the world.
I wish this aspect would be reported a little more.
This was part of his self-created hype that was seared into his memory |
Maybe they were seared into his memory via the machine from "Total Recall"? 
Cambodia....CAMBODIA...CAAAAMBOOOOODDDDIIIIAAAA !!!!!!
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Polaris
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Steve Z,
I don't want to speak for navychief, but it is my understanding that he is still on active duty. If so, he can not take place in such a forum legally (it would be taking political sides while in uniform). I am not a lawyer so I don't know all the details, but the service is very strict about that.
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Ogre
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| mtpNY wrote: | | His fantasizing and embellishing his involvement ala Al Gore |
Well, Gore was in Nam longer, even though never in combat... even though he ran that picture of himself looking down the barrel of his M-16. 
| Quote: | Gore was assigned a position as reporter covering the activities of the 20th Engineer Brigade in Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. Obviously, this was a non-combat position, and some of those who served with Gore reported that their superiors requested Gore "should cover only military operations where security was good." However, they also reported that Gore had not asked for any such arrangement, nor was he aware of it.
During his 1988 presidential campaign, Gore issued brochures containing a photo of himself with an M-16 rifle, which created the false impression that he had served as an infantryman, even though his only real combat experience was interviewing other GIs who really had been in combat.
Gore filled his position with the 20th Engineers for five months. Army regulations at the time allowed for early discharge of personnel who wanted to teach or attend school if their services were considered "not essential to the mission." As a reporter, Gore was certainly not "essential" to the war effort, and he applied for such a discharge. |
http://www.snopes.com/military/goreviet.htm
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Michmaddave
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Man, is he a pathological lier, making statements to inflate his immage of himself, or is he a pathological psychotic who has immagined himself playing rolls in media film?? Either is scary.
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ASPB
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Jungle_rat wrote: | | Quote: | | But hey, what's this new attack that O'Neil was in Cambodia? My thinking is who the heck cares? |
It speaks to O'Neill's credibility. However, O'Neill hasn't based his entire career on such a statement.
We all exaggerate and embellish, but there's a massive difference between casual embellishment and being a pathological liar and slanderer under oath, or as an elected official....a difference which is completely lost on the "more nuanced and sophisticated " libs. |
Let me make something clear. Bernique's Creek, as it was called after a October '68 incident, is inland from Ha Tien and at certain points comes within 50 yards of the Cambodian border but never, I mean never, enters Cambodia.
Here's the Chart: http://www.rjsmith.com/IV-Corps-delta-01-west.html
Kerry may have made a couple of patrols on this Song although there are no records that he did. Later in '69 and '70 there was more action up there and O'Neill spent a lot of time there, including winning a BSM, I believe.
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Beatrice1000
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| Chuck54 wrote: | | ..Colmes was very sleazy quoting Oneils comments to Nixon and leaving out a critical sentence regarding Cambodia.... |
Alan really thought he had something there!... |
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the0point
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Oh I agree. O'Neil seems to be a top notch guy. Lot's of credibility in my book.
I think what bothered me was Colmes kept trying to take O'Neil's statments out of context. Actually the Kerry camp has probably been pouring over every word O'Neil and the other vets have ever uttered in their lifetimes to try to use something against them.
These guys just need to hang in there. The fire from the Kerry people is intense, but I think if we keep the pressure on the truth will win out. |
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BB Stacker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:14 am Post subject: |
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O'neill is always impressive in his statements; clear, concise and excedingly well informed. The liberal talking heads are not going to get half-truths and misinformation by him if he has a chance to respond.
Their only chance to defeat him is to shout him down and keep him from speaking, like Mathews did. I look to see more of this tactic.
It shows how scared they are of the truth. |
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Steve Z
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:26 am Post subject: Who wrote after-action report? |
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If NavyChief is legally prevented from participating in a political debate because he is still active, could some other Swift Boat veteran or former member of Kerry's chain of command (retired from the Navy) who understands those numbers go on TV and use NavyChief's arguments to prove that Kerry wrote the report?
In watching the debates on Hannity and Colmes between O'Neill and Kerry supporters, this seems to be a crucial question. Right now, "Navy records" seem to support Kerry. But if it can be shown that Kerry wrote them, then it becomes Kerry's word against everyone else (or, as Hannity pointed out, 4 men's word against 17 men's word), and Kerry's case becomes much weaker.
I'm not a Navy man, so someone else will have to deal with this!
Just a suggestion--I want you guys to win these debates!
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Integrity
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:26 am Post subject: |
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My opinion of lawyers has gone up considerably after watching the performance of Mr O'Neill and reading the blogs of Hugh Hewitt, Glenn Reynolds and Scott, John & Paul @ Power Line.
It's obvious that Mr O'Neill has a firm grasp of the facts and a mind capable of using them whenever needed. He's composed, calm and clearly in charge. I hope he's a recurring nightmare for Senator Gigolo.
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Ruffcutt
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John O'Neill did one thing on tonight's show that I've been waiting for, he outlined each and every change in Kerry's story since the SBVFT became known.
It's obvious that the media would rather label the SBVFT as a group who tells lies, and that doesn't surprise me since it doesn't appear that the already established victories are being announced. I strongly suggest that the SBVFT focus on each and every change in stories from the Cambodia fiasco to the recent admission that the first purple heart was the result of a self-inflicted wound. A timeline of the flip-flops should appear on the SBVFT site because we all know that every Tom, Dick, and Harry from the media to the government is lurking there.
These changes in Kerry's stories are what lend immediate legitimacy and credibility to the group. One cannot label the SBVFT a bunch of partisan liars when within two weeks, Kerry has had to concede on at least three inaccuracies regarding his claims of valor. As a matter of fact, I would suggest that the next commercial focus on what has already been established these past two weeks. I also think that instead of making new accusations towards Kerry, let members of the SBVFT simply tell of some of their own experiences in order to introduce themselves to the public in a fashion that displays them more as real people with real concerns about what a Kerry presidency may bring.
There are plenty of days left before the election to toss in a more mundane and personal presentation to the American people. The SBVFTs need to be properly introduced now that they have the attention of the entire country. If this doesn't happen, the media just may be successful in tarnishing their names enough so that the people who need to hear, won't hear because they will no longer wish to listen. The media will use that as justification to avoid the story all together.
This is just my opinion of course, but it does seem as though confusion is now above the facts. This is what Kerry wants...don't give it to him.
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Rovercop
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Hey, I don't get the Fox News Network - does anybody have any idea where I might read a transcript of the show??
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lrb111
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Nomorelies wrote: | I don't see what Hannity sees in "Ichabod" Colmes. That guy is a stupid jerk.  |
Around our house we call it "Hannity and Howdy". But we are old enough to remember "Howdy Doody".. 
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