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Justme
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:28 am Post subject: "Truth" Democrat or Republican? |
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Throughout this whole issue with Kerry's service in Vietnam.. there is one thing I find absolutely atstounding, the fact that the truth seems to be so difficult for some people to handle. Why can't the facts and the number of witnesses speak for themselves? Why won't Kerry release all of his military records? Why won't the news media report both sides of the issue?
Why are we continually subjected to words games, denials, and the constant slandering of decorated war vets who are trying to get the truth out? I guess some people care more about being "in power" than they do about the truth. If the swift boat vets are lying..why won't John Kerry defend himself..tell us what really happened John. Mr. Kerry can't because he knows what the truth is. Why is it that no democrat seems to want all of the facts?Anybody but Bush, right? |
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Integrity
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This is a ways off topic, but the short answer to your question is a 5 letter word: POWER.
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Michmaddave
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When there appears to be no principles, when there is no moral compus... when there is no absolute right and wrong... then the only logical motive there can be is the quest for the acquisition of power. When someone has as their goal the accumulation of power then you have to beware. They are capable of anything outside the boundaries of right and wrong.
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Scott
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| Integrity wrote: | | ...the short answer to your question is a 5 letter word: POWER. |
I just wanted that to be repeated. 
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LewWaters
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Justme, there are Democrats questioning the Senator. John O'Neill has probably voted Democrat more than he ever did Republican, and has contributed almost twice as much to Democrats than he did to Republicans, he has told audiences and pundits trying to condemn him.
Amongst posters here, both Democrat and Republican, are several veterans who stand solidly against the actions of Senator Kerry.
We can't really put this upon party lines as some from both have taken varied positions towards Kerry. It is personal for the vast majority of us and politics really aren't a part of it, regardless of what they are trying to say on TV.
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Frogg
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| LewWaters wrote: | Justme, there are Democrats questioning the Senator. John O'Neill has probably voted Democrat more than he ever did Republican, and has contributed almost twice as much to Democrats than he did to Republicans, he has told audiences and pundits trying to condemn him.
Amongst posters here, both Democrat and Republican, are several veterans who stand solidly against the actions of Senator Kerry.
We can't really put this upon party lines as some from both have taken varied positions towards Kerry. It is personal for the vast majority of us and politics really aren't a part of it, regardless of what they are trying to say on TV. |
I think one journalist calls it correctly:
The Swift Boat Veterans Ad Is about War Crimes, Not Politics
By Mary Mostert, Analyst, Banner of Liberty (www.bannerofliberty.com)
August, 22, 2004
EXCERPT:
The Swift Boat veterans who served in Vietnam at the same time and on identical boats and in the same rivers as John Kerry have created ads that really upset Kerry and the Democrats. The Kerry Campaign is telling the public that the President should apologize for the Swift Boat veterans’ ad. In fact, he has complained to the Federal Elections Committee that Bush is responsible for the ad, after sending a letter dated August 5, 2004 and co-signed by lawyers for the Democratic National Committee and the Kerry-Edwards Campaign to TV station managers around the nation asking that they “prevent broadcasts of this (Swift Boat Veterans)advertisement.” In the letter the Democrats assured the TV stations that the “Swift Boat Veterans organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee.” The Democrat lawyers informed the stations, “your stations may freely refuse this advertisement” and “your station may not responsibly air this advertisement” because the Swift Boat Veterans "are not either a federal candidate or candidate committee."
The Swift Boat Vet ads are not really even a political issue. Certainly they are not George W. Bush’s issue. It is about what happened in Vietnam over 30 years ago: Were the Swift Boat veterans war criminals as Kerry claimed or was John Kerry not telling the truth in his testimony before the US Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, as the Swift Boat Veterans claim? Kerry told the committee that he was “one member of the group of 1,000” that was part of “a very much larger group of veterans in this country” who would, if they could “sit at this table and … would have the same kind of testimony.
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Because of the massive media coverage given John Kerry’s accusations, soldiers returning from Vietnam were spat upon and ridiculed. Some could simply not take it and literally have hid from the world one way or the other. If there were war crimes, why didn’t Kerry name names? Why didn’t the media and the senate demand he name names? Why doesn’t he name names now?
The Swift Boat Vets say that Kerry lied about those “war crimes.” They say the war crimes didn’t happen and that the Vietnam War was not lost in the jungles of Vietnam, but in the press rooms of the media and conference rooms in Washington, D.C. If that is true, then it is Kerry, not the Swift Boat Vets who owes an apology to a half million Vietnam Veterans living and dead.
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John O’Neill, spokesman for the Swift Boat Veterans, said:
“We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book 'Tour of Duty.' We think those cast an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people. We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief."
The issue here is not a simple political insult. The issue involves serious charges made by John Kerry in 1971. He said, without naming names, that American soldiers routinely and under orders from their officers had committed heinous war crimes.
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