SwiftVets.com

[Brody]

This is no big deal, but why give them ammo?????


WASHINGTON - A lawyer for President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign disclosed Tuesday that he has been providing legal advice for a veterans group that is challenging Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites)'s account of his Vietnam War service.


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Benjamin Ginsberg's acknowledgment marks the second time in days that an individual associated with the Bush-Cheney campaign has been connected to the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which Kerry accuses of being a front for the Republican incumbent's re-election effort.


The Bush campaign and the veterans' group say there is no coordination.


The group "came to me and said, 'We have a point of view we want to get into the First Amendment debate right now. There's a new law. It's very complicated. We want to comply with the law, will you keep us in the bounds of the law?'" Ginsberg said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I said yes, absolutely, as I would do for anyone."


Ginsberg said he never told the Bush campaign what he discussed with the group, or vice versa, and doesn't advise the group on ad strategies.


"They have legal questions and when they have legal questions I answer them," Ginsberg said. He said he had not yet decided whether to charge the Swift Boat Veterans a fee for his work.


Kerry's presidential campaign last week filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (news - web sites) accusing the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth of illegally coordinating the group's ads. The ads allege Kerry has lied about his decorated Vietnam War service; the group's accounts in a television ad have been disputed by Navy records and veterans who served on Kerry's boat.


"It's another piece of the mounting evidence of the ties between the Bush campaign and this group," Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton said of Ginsberg's admission. "The longer President Bush waits to specifically condemn this smear, the more it looks like his campaign is behind it."


On Saturday, retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier resigned as a member of the Bush campaign's veterans' steering committee after it was learned that he appeared in the Swift Boat veterans' commercial.


Kerry, meanwhile, is the subject of complaints by the Bush campaign and the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) accusing his campaign of illegally coordinating anti-Bush ads with soft-money groups on the Democratic side, allegations he and the groups deny.


Ginsberg also represented the Bush campaign in 2000 and became a prominent figure during the Florida recount.


He also served as counsel to the RNC in its unsuccessful lawsuit seeking to overturn the nation's campaign finance law, which banned the national party committees from collecting corporate, union and unlimited donations known as soft money and imposed stricter rules on coordination involving parties, candidates and interest groups.


Ginsberg contends that by offering legal advice to both the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat group, he has done nothing different than other election lawyers in Washington, including attorneys for Kerry and the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) who have also advised soft-money groups. Representing campaigns, parties and outside groups simultaneously is legal and allowed under the law and by the FEC, he said.


"The truth is there is only a handful of lawyers who live and breathe this law. And so because the coordination rules do not include legal services among the prohibited coordinated activities, we provide legal service," Ginsberg said.


Larry Noble, head of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics campaign watchdog group and former FEC general counsel, said it's true that serving as a lawyer for both a campaign and a soft-money group isn't considered automatic evidence of coordination under commission rules, but added that it doesn't mean the FEC won't look at it.


"I think there's a valid question about when you're talking about strictly legal advice and when you're talking about policy issues and strategic issues," Noble said. "It's fair to ask what the advice is about."


Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.


In addition to the FEC's coordination rules, attorneys are ethically bound to maintain attorney-client confidentiality, Sandler said. They could lose their law license if they violate that, he said.

[kmudd]

did you see this line ?

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once

[Brody]

Sure he might say that, but what they say one day has nothing to do with what they will say the next. The news stories now are going to be all about this, and its going to be a talking point, and it will allow Kerry to continue to say the Swifties are a front for Bush. It will allow Kerry to spew this talking point, while avoiding the real questions. All I'm saying is don't give them ammo for their talking points. This was easily avoidable.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

I can't see as this has provided any "ammo," Brody - would you please edit the title of the thread?

This isn't anything different than the checking that's going on between pro-Kerry 527's and the Kerry campaign lawyers.
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[Brody]

[fortdixlover]

Mr. Kerry, my dog relieved itself in front of a house whose owner's grandmother's ex-fiance was once an ardent republican.

Does that count as collaboration?

FDL

[lrb111]

Typical left wing press, hammer Bush's lawyer, give kerry's lawyer a pass.
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well, when even the DNC can see it,,,,, then kerry is toast.

[integritycounts]

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.

HELLO? and this becomes a story because of what?

[Scott]

Please copy and paste your comments to this duplicate thread:

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5181

so that I can close this one.

Duplicate threads take up space and bump other topics off of the front page - that's why we try to hard to keep the duplicates eliminated.
The front page of this particular forum needs to have as many different topical, news-based threads going on as wide a variety of events as possible.

Thank you!
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