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95 bxl
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 Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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I disagree with censoring based on who people are.
Every time one of these sad, war-criminal, flip-flop supporting types posts here, it just serves to reinforce Kerry's ******* image. That image is certainly enhanced each time one of these non-serving ignorant tools puts a word up here. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Looks like this is just another Kerry propaganda website |
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| Hen3 wrote: | Sorry SVT, I guess it isn't possible to keep your forum from being used as Kerry Campaign website.
I won't waste my time visiting anymore seeing as I can't find out any truth here without being subjected to 4x as many lies or Kerry talking points in the process.
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Hey, Henry,
Don't let them do that - that's exactly what they want.
Don't let them get to you - laugh at them - just as with the anti-war agitators in the Vietnam era, they're spouting someone else's talking points. In the Vietnam era, the propaganda came straight from the KGB infiltrators.
In this era, the DNC is filling in for them.  Same socialist agenda, same tactics brought into the "information age." Thing is, we know about it, now. We're smarter as a country. We know what happened in the anti-war movement during Vietnam and we're not going to let it happen, again.
Buck up and hang with us. They can't keep the truth from getting out to people unless WE let them shut us up.
Did you see that SBVFT finally got some decent coverage on Fox, today? People are waking up and taking a look at what's under the hood.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| 95 bxl wrote: | | Every time one of these sad, war-criminal, flip-flop supporting types posts here, it just serves to reinforce Kerry's ******* image. That image is certainly enhanced each time one of these non-serving ignorant tools puts a word up here. |
I love it when these know-nothing Kerry-ites speak up. Let 'em keep talking - their tactics become clearer with each post.
Distract, evade, insinuate, lather, rinse, repeat... bleah....
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Hesiod wrote: |
John Kerry did make his records public. He even posted them on his campaign website where anyone can read them if they want to.
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No, actually, he didn't. He made selected records public. If he really wants to make his records available. He'll just sign that two page form (and DoD will release all his records, no censoring, no selecting).
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sparky
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat said:
| Quote: | | No, actually, he didn't. He made selected records public. If he really wants to make his records available. He'll just sign that two page form (and DoD will release all his records, no censoring, no selecting). |
You're talking about Bush, right? Here's the material from the Times:
The New York Times
April 22, 2004 pA22 col 04 (20 col in)
After days of being pressed by Republicans, Senator John Kerry on Wednesday released his military records, which showed uniformly positive evaluations from his commanders in Vietnam.
After balking Monday on a promise to release his full Navy record, Mr. Kerry posted more than 140 pages of documents on his campaign Web site, www.johnkerry.com, in a move that largely silenced critics on a part of his life that has been central to his presidential hopes.
---- snip ----
Now it's Bush's turn to release all supervisor evaluations, disciplinary actions, etc... Like Kerry, his medical records have been inspected by journalists and nobody is asking more of Bush and shouldn't ask more of Kerry.
So far, Kerry is way ahead of Bush. Or maybe I'm missing something. Has Bush put up something similar to this on his website?
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html
Please point the way! Where's Bush's material besides the dental records?
Show us he wasn't grounded and didn't blow a million bucks in taxpayer dollars.
All Bush has to do is sign that two page document. |
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E
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: Well where are you navy and henry? It's been a day. |
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It is okay to be afraid of the truth. It is not okay to be blind to the truth so you don't have to be afraid. That is the precise reason that Bush is a failure as a president.
Navy 3x, it is pretty clear that this is not a rational thing for you, rather an almost religious devotion to a pretty common right wing delusion. Same with Hen3. You all say Kerry is a liar, and yet you have no evidence that conclusively shows this is the case. And many of you still flog Jane Fonda like she really mattered. Some movie bimbo crashed the whole Vietnam war? Or was it the result of both Democratic and Republican policy failures going back to Eisenhower? How many divisions did Jane Fonda have, as Stalin might have asked?
When someone mentions that Bush hasn't released his records, you rush to say that they are not important, or that the issue of his missing years is not an important one. Goose meet gander.
When you accuse people who question Bush or appear pro-Kerry of being delusional, isn't that projecting your delusions onto others if you have no reasonable answer? When you say they have drunk the kool-aid, or are socialists, KGB agents, and so on, isn't that a delusion?
I have to say I wasn't rooting for Kerry, but in good conscience I could not vote for Bush, whereas I could have voted for McCain.
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Wondering
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| It would be unwise to censor the Kerry supporters. In America there is freedom of speech, but this is not the public domain. This is private property, so it would be entirely within your right. However, an argument with no adverse opinion is not an argument. Verbal arguments change minds. They will change your's and you will change their's. To what degree is the question, and in what direction. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Well where are you navy and henry? It's been a day. |
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| E wrote: | | Navy 3x, it is pretty clear that this is not a rational thing for you, rather an almost religious devotion to a pretty common right wing delusion. |
You know virtually NOTHING about my politics other than that I detest John F'n Kerry, but you can make this assumption?
Get a new crystal ball, Zamboni - yours is obviously on the fritz.
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sparky
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Very insightful and shrewd assessment, E, although NNN reveals much more about her temperament and underlying motives than she realizes. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| sparky wrote: | | Very insightful and shrewd assessment, E, although NNN reveals much more about her temperament and underlying motives than she realizes. |
Still the psychoanalyst, eh, spark?  You're too funny!
My temperament? Pretty mellow as a rule - a wiseazz - a prankster - a dreamer. Until you say the words "John Kerry" and "war hero" in the same breath.
THEN, you see Hecate on a bad hair day.
Motives? To make sure that Kerry doesn't get a chance to stab another generation of soldiers in the back.
Doesn't take a psychoanalyst or crystal ball to say that - I've told you right from the start.
He betrayed his brothers and sisters, once. He's NOT going to get the chance to fsck with our younger brothers and sisters.
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sparky
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:15 am Post subject: |
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You know, I spent 8 years dealing with people who just HATED Bill Clinton. Just saying his name made their eyes bug-out and hair stand on end. I'd ask them why he does this to them and, sputtering, they'd try to explain, but couldn't really come up with anything. He was Satan Incarnate and nothing was going to change that.
When women had these attitudes about Clinton, I always suspected they had some kind of repressed romantic attraction to him and they were compensating. To these women, power was probably the most potent aphrodesiac and Bill had quite a bit of it. If I asked them if they thought he was attractive, it would bring an even greater frenzy of denied sexual energy from them.
I thought to myself, well, at least it will be different when the next Democrat is in office. NNN, have you truly looked deeply into why, exactly, you hate Kerry? |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | | NNN, have you truly looked deeply into why, exactly, you hate Kerry? |
Because even though I only spent one tour on active duty, I still feel a sailor in every cell of my body. I still feel that oath to protect and defend down to my bones. I will still die for my country, should I be called upon to do that.
Because I defend and honor my brothers and sisters in service - the ones from the generations before me and the generations that have followed.
Because Kerry has no honor.
Because he has no regret for the part he played in slandering a whole generation of soldiers.
Because he has never apologized - indeed, his recent book, Tour of Duty, just repeats the same accusations and criticisms that he's levelled against his brothers in the past.
Only when it appeared that SBVFT might take off did he contact RADM Hoffman to ask him to reconsider his participation in such a group. Only then did he address the inaccuracies in Tour of Duty.
RADM Hoffman, speaking about the call he received from Kerry on about the 15th of March - apparently misunderstanding the reporter's question because of a hearing problem, here's what he said:
| Quote: | | "He said specifically that he figured that the, he thought that the book maligned me, unjustly, and uh, and he wanted to know how they could, uh, make corrections to the book for a forthcoming change or new edition to the Tour of Duty. And I didn't contribute anything. I thanked him and that was essentially it." |
The book is released in January, but Kerry waits until three months later, when SBVFT is going public, before he calls someone who he thinks he has unjustly maligned to apologize and attempt to make corrections?
If he felt that his book unjustly maligned his former superior officer, why did he allow the book to be written that way? Why did he allow the galleys to go through as they were?
Just the timing of his attempt to right the record is very telling. It speaks eloquently of his lack of honor.
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Hesiod
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | sparky wrote: | | NNN, have you truly looked deeply into why, exactly, you hate Kerry? |
Because even though I only spent one tour on active duty, I still feel a sailor in every cell of my body. I still feel that oath to protect and defend down to my bones. I will still die for my country, should I be called upon to do that.
Because I defend and honor my brothers and sisters in service - the ones from the generations before me and the generations that have followed.
Because Kerry has no honor.
Because he has no regret for the part he played in slandering a whole generation of soldiers.
Because he has never apologized - indeed, his recent book, Tour of Duty, just repeats the same accusations and criticisms that he's levelled against his brothers in the past.
Only when it appeared that SBVFT might take off did he contact RADM Hoffman to ask him to reconsider his participation in such a group. Only then did he address the inaccuracies in Tour of Duty.
RADM Hoffman, speaking about the call he received from Kerry on about the 15th of March - apparently misunderstanding the reporter's question because of a hearing problem, here's what he said:
| Quote: | | "He said specifically that he figured that the, he thought that the book maligned me, unjustly, and uh, and he wanted to know how they could, uh, make corrections to the book for a forthcoming change or new edition to the Tour of Duty. And I didn't contribute anything. I thanked him and that was essentially it." |
The book is released in January, but Kerry waits until three months later, when SBVFT is going public, before he calls someone who he thinks he has unjustly maligned to apologize and attempt to make corrections?
If he felt that his book unjustly maligned his former superior officer, why did he allow the book to be written that way? Why did he allow the galleys to go through as they were?
Just the timing of his attempt to right the record is very telling. It speaks eloquently of his lack of honor. |
So what your saying is that Hoffmann's attacks on John Kerry are due to a personal slight, and out of pettiness, as opposed to principle?
Gee. Why am I not susprised.
Before you throw around terms like "honor," I'd confront your own dishonorable souls first. |
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NecAsperaTerra
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 12:02 pm Post subject: Response |
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| Hesiod wrote: | | So what your saying is that Hoffmann's attacks on John Kerry are due to a personal slight, and out of pettiness, as opposed to principle? |
Ah ha. Now I see what's up with that relationship. Folks, we just stepped into a personal vendetta. Which is okay, I suppose. But why make it about the candidate and the campaign? And why make it so public? The Hoffmann people have got others quoting them--without the benefit of knowlege, either of what's in Kerry's book (they would die before they read it, of course) or the actual role Adm. Hoffmann played in the illegal acts of war so many years ago. Of course, most posting on this board don't know the latter. And my post of last night, which was designed to inform, was pulled. Why? I suppose so fewer people would find out.
If these people are going to make it public, then make it public. Let the whole truth be told. Not just one version of it. There are, of course, as many versions of "the truth" as there are people to experience it.
BTW, I haven't read Kerry's books myself. I just hate when groups come out of the woodwork with a specific hate-based agenda. And Google is my best friend in those cases.
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kerry-d-bunker
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject: Kerry propagandists? LOL!! |
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So only Bush propagandists need post here, right? Of course, noting the fascist junta now operating in DC, it would be quite proper to ban all who dare question the 'man behind the curtain.'
Pathetic, but then, look who is in the White House... |
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