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[joe_madeup]

(1)
If you read UFC, and track the tidbits of info flowing and counter-flowing in the MSM, which mostly uphold UFC in the end....it's clear that each one of Kerry's medals is exaggerated or in some way fraudulent.

But to the swing voter who doesn't follow it all, but only gets "impressions" from MSM headlines and maybe an e-mail that his pushy liberal cousin forwarded from MoveOn.org...I have to believe that to that guy, SBVfT are NOT looking like they have a slam-dunk case, and possibly SBVfT are even looking picky or mean-spirited. I imagine this person thinking, "Well jeez, the bottom line is that Kerry went to Viet Nam."

Agree/disagree? And do we have any "latest" polling data on how the SBVfT claims are coming across to swing voters?

(2)
I think the true heart of the case against Kerry is his after-service activities - where he worked long and hard against the United States and its veterans, and has not apologized to this day.

I am feeling worried that in all the debate over the details of the medals, this bigger case against Kerry is getting lost.

I know the new ad started officially running yesterday - do we have any new info on its reception/effect? Maybe SBVfT should try harder to re-focus the public conversation onto Kerry's evil after-service activities. Agree/disagree?

[rb325th]

Joe, the rumblings and some roars today indicate that Kerrys Post Vietnam Activities will become an issue and not just from this group.
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[cipher]

The two are NOT mutually exclusive. SBVFT is MODed for multi-tasking, so doing two things (or three, or four, or more) simultaneously is not difficult.

Besides, different things offend different people differently. The more offensive character flaws that support the conclusion that Kerry is unfit to hold the office of POTUS, the better.

People, by and large, tend to be smarter than other people give them credit for.

Except for the MSM. They couldn't find their butt with GPS and both hands.
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[baldeagl]

Maybe we should stop worrying so much about what the SBVT are doing. They seem to have a very intelligent plan, and it seems to be working quite well. You really, seriously didn't expect the MSM to just roll over and play dead, did you?

Patience, my friend. The truth will out. Those who chose to get all their news from the MSM have chosen to be ignorant. Let him who would be ignorant remain ignorant.

Less than 10% of our forefathers actually fought in the Revolutionary War. Yet we defeated the most powerful nation in the world. The SBVT have the truth on their side, and truth is a powerful force.
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[joe_madeup]

Cool; thanks.

[Polaris]

I agree. The SBVfT has been very effective. We knew that the SBVT would be smeared from the outset. We knew that the SBVT would not get fair coverage. Eventually we will be able to show a slam-dunk case, and even now our case would win in any fair legal forum...and the Kerry campaign knows it.

This is Chinese Water torture. We don't have to win everyone over today. All we have to do is make Kerry take little hits day after day after day...and he seems to be doing most of our work for us! As I see it the medals flack is a set-up. It raises doubts and HAS raised doubts (the polls are clear on this point) about Kerry's military service record. That makes the audience much more receptive to the rest of the message.

The fact Kerry is responding to this in the worst possible way is pretty nice icing on the cake as well, I must admit. In short, we don't have to protect our credibility as much as make the voters doubt Kerry's. That is a slimy thing to say, but the DEM 527s have done just that to President Bush. Fortunately in our case, we are doing it to get the truth out...but it doesn't change the effectiveness of the tactic.
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[Tony]

Kerry really is responding in the worst possible way and showing his true colors in the process. Had he just ignored the SBVFT, the media might have been successful in making this go away for him (probably not - but the impact would be less and the talking heads would spend less time on it). Instead - he responded with his own "bring it on" moment and the rest will soon be history......
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[ghiapaul]

I think as days go by, the word is getting out, and very effectively. I gauge it by a local radio talk show. The host is very pro-Kerry, and uses the old two guys, one went one didn't. Well after having it his way last week, the tide is turning. More and more callers are bringing up real good reasons that his theory doesn't wash. Naturally the host hangs up on these people so I know the word is getting out. The more little things about Kerry that get out, are becoming a big reason not to vote for him, and showing how repulsive he is.

[xleatherneck]

We don't have to win everyone over today. All we have to do is make Kerry take little hits day after day after day...and he seems to be doing most of our work for us! As I see it the medals flack is a set-up. It raises doubts and HAS raised doubts (the polls are clear on this point) about Kerry's military service record. That makes the audience much more receptive to the rest of the message.

You're both taking hits day after day and it raises doubts both for Kerry's position and yours. That might make the audience curious as to the rest of the message, but there's nothing to suggest that they will be more receptive to your view rather than kerry's in the absence of credibilty.


In short, we don't have to protect our credibility as much as make the voters doubt Kerry's.


You're wrong and you're making a fatal mistake if you believe this.

It is all about credibility.
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[Polaris]

xleatherneck,

I disagree. As long as Kerry keeps on attacking us, this story remains in the news. Publicity is good. It prevents Kerry from responding effectively to other issues, and it makes him look like the spoiled brat he is. I might add that the other (Dem) 527s use exactly this same tactic.

No it is NOT all about credibility I am sorry to say. In this respect, the political landscape is one-sided. Move-On (for example) is almost totally discredited, but their ads can (and still do) have political impact.

In addition, you are assuming that the truth won't get out. I happen to be extremely confident (for reasons I won't discuss here) that it will. This issue is going to explode on Kerry and he knows it. If he were as confident as you seem to be, why did he do the dog-and-pony show today.

No.....we are doing it right. In war (and make no mistake this is war), we will take a few hits.
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[forgivenjojo]

JOE MADE UP

I have cried those same concerns on this site and my complaints are not about the actual SWIFT BOAT VETERANS and their performances.

The basic message I keep getting here is dont go out and pass out fliers, run newspaper ads, etc etc. The Swift Boat Veterans are taking care of the media.

We are going to trust the INTERNET to get this thing done, and oh yeah, the Main Stream Media is going to come through for us.

It hasnt happened yet, and it is not going to happen tomorrow.

If anyone reading this message does not believe me then try doing this:

Next time you are out at the grocery store, Wal-mart, Target , Mall, shopping wherever, ask some random people the following questions:

1. Have you heard of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?
2. How did you here about them?
3. So, Do you believe them or do you believe John Kerry?


I live in a conservative part of Texas, very Bush friendly and very much wanting to see Kerry defeated. I wait tables at a popular restaurant and see different people on a nighly basis. I am constantly asking questions, talking about the Swiftees and promoting them. But even in this area of conservatives, people do not know what to believe, or just dont care.

You wanna know why. It is because of where they are getting their information from. Main Stream Media.

The MSM is out their gauging the public too. They dont have to report the truth because the people are not demanding them too. They are not reporting the truth because they hate GEORGE W. BUSH. The immoral far left hates him because he openly confess that Jesus Christ is his savior.

Their hatred of George W. Bush and what he stands for is causing them to keep a lid on the truth about John Kerry. The Beast protecting the Beast.

any questions?


I almost got to talk to Larry Thurlow today as he was speaking on a national radio show called "POINT OF VIEW". I have gotten on the program before and they had taken my information and had me on standby to talk, but ran out of time. I was going to try and get him to motivate the moderators of this site to put into action a massive paper distribution campaign across the country. Why let 4000 registered users just sit in front of the computer screens when you can get them out on the ground.

I will keep trying, eventually I will get to one of these guys.

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