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Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

Igor,

Is that true? I ask because Lambert's name is the one listed on the citation recommendation both from Kerry's site and in the WaPo article. If you can verify this, you should send this in.

It impeaches Kerry's veracity big-time.
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concerned_voter · Former Member Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 31

Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

concerned_voter,

I am after the TRUTH. I do not consider Unfit for Command to be the bible. I give it much more credence than Kerry's account true, but I am willing to consider that decent men may not get all the details correct after 35 years.

What I am presenting is a hypothesis. O'Neill has the affidavits of the surviving OICs (other than Kerry) that they were not under enemy fire. If you accept my model, there statements are prefectly true from their point of view. The idea is that the intial firing was so scattered and so short lasting that the OICs never noticed it at all especially over the 50cals firing from the boats.

However Sandursky from a different point of view and away from the other boats may have seen some initial fire but lasting a very short time.

This does not help Kerry at all. The reason Kerry got the bronze star was because he rescued a man from under fire....and under this model that isn't what happened.

I want to caution everyone...including potential moles...that I am in no way defending Kerry's account (just the opposite in fact), but I am suggesting that all testimony should be considered and we should keep an open mind. To do otherwise would give lie to our name and besmirch our honor.
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Ogre · Lt.Jg. Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 120

There are ways to detonate a mine from shore without firing at it, many ways. But I see your point, Polaris. It is viable.
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Misty · Lieutenant Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 223

learjet · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:55 am Post subject:

[/quote]Brat, what Sandusky does NOT appear to have said is that Kerry's boat also hit a mine.

brat · Seaman Recruit Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Sandusky reportedly elsewhere said that he did not remember if they were under fire when Kerry reached out and helped Rasmussen. Two minutes of firing indicates they were not under fire to me. Sandusky tonight also said they shot up sampans and killed buffalo, resulting in starving the people, apparently grabing on to the latest talking points that everyone committed "atrocities" trying to put shooting sampans and buffalo in that category.

As an aside it is my understanding that an officer senior to the person recommended for an award may recommend someone or the commander may from reviewing reports. Can anyone confirm or add to that? How could Rassman have recommended Kerry, I think he was junior to Kerry.

USWORHOCKEY · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject:

Sean Hannity will believe it or not read the e-mails sent to him, he will also take your strong points and use them. Here is an e-mail I sent to Hannity on the 25th.

Form 180

Please find out from your numerous guests that you meet with why Kerry will not sign the form. It's a plain and simple solution, yes or no, to a problem that in my opinion the Democrats won't let go away. It's a nice diversion to the 20 plus years in the Senate, in which his contridictions show a "lack" of leadership..
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jataylor11 · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject:

True Hannity will use your good solid points from your e-mails ---

Keep your point concise and limited to one point. He used one of mine verbatim one night.

These guys need all the help they can get.