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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Ralph Peters article "Heroes Don't Shout" Reply with quote

URL: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/29339.htm

HEROES DON'T SHOUT

Ralph Peters

NY Post

August 24, 2004

August 24, 2004 -- JOHN Kerry went to Vietnam. Voluntarily. Given that
President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and every chicken-hawk in the coop did all they could to avoid getting the mud of Indochina on their
loafers, his service should make Kerry the election-year choice of those who serve, or once served, in our country's uniform.

Instead, military men and women are overwhelmingly suspicious of Kerry. Many despise him so intensely that their emotions verge on hatred.

What went wrong?

There are three big problems with Kerry from the standpoint of those who are proud of their military service. And one of those reservations has been
overlooked entirely by the parade of talking heads, so few of whom have
served in uniform themselves.

As far as the swift-boat controversy goes, it's likely to remain a he-said-she-said issue through Election Day. The red flag to military men and women is that so many swift-boat veterans have come out against John
Kerry. Not just one. Not 10. Dozens upon dozens.

This is as rare as humility in the Hamptons. Vets stick together. Kerry
likes to play up his "band of brothers" image, but if he's got a band, his
opponents have a symphony. And even if the first violinist turns out to be a "Republican stooge," it's nonetheless stunning for so many vets to denounce a former comrade publicly. It just doesn't happen unless something's really wrong.

As for Kerry's support from his own crew, that's normal military psychology. You get the most objective view of a junior leader from his peers - the other swift-boat commanders (and their crews) who had to fear a weak link in the chain.

I'm not a Vietnam vet, so I don't have as big an emotional dog in the fight
as those who served so bravely and so thanklessly in Indochina. But some
values are universal among those who wear or wore our country's uniform.

Yes, Kerry deserves credit for serving, whether he volunteered out of
patriotism or because he had cast himself as the "next JFK," with a swift
boat subbing for PT-109.

The first show-stopper problem with Kerry began after his return. He had the right to protest against the war - more than most, since he had served
himself. But he had not earned the right to lie about the honorable service
of millions of others.

Kerry's lies - and they were nothing but lies - about "routine" atrocities
committed by average American soldiers and sanctioned by the chain of
command were sheer political opportunism. Kerry knew that none of the
charges were true.

He'd been there. He may have done some stupid things himself, but atrocities were statistically very rare. Contrary to the myths cherished by
film-makers, American troops behaved remarkably well under dreadful
conditions.

John Kerry lied. Without remorse. To advance his budding political career.
He tarnished the reputation of his comrades when the military was out of
vogue.

Now, three decades later, camouflage is back in the fall fashion line-up.
Suddenly, Kerry's proud of his service, portraying himself as a war hero.

But it doesn't work that way. You can't trash those who served in front of
Congress and the American people, spend your senatorial career voting
against our nation's security interests, then expect vets to love you when
you abruptly change your tune.

Kerry might have won support had he apologized frankly for what he said in the early 1970s. But he no more disavowed his lies than he disclaimed the lies of Michael Moore.

Which brings us to problems two and three.

John Kerry doesn't show a trace of integrity. Those constant flip-flops to
suit the prevailing political winds are more troubling to military folks
than many of the issues themselves.

Integrity matters to those in uniform. You have to be able to depend on the guy in the next foxhole - or swift boat. Trust is more important than any technology.

And John Kerry just doesn't seem trustworthy.

Finally - and this is the one the pundits have trouble grasping, given the
self-promoting nature of today's culture - real heroes don't call themselves
heroes. Honorable soldiers or sailors don't brag. They let their deeds speak for themselves. Some of the most off-putting words any veteran can utter are "I'm a war hero."

Real heroes (and I've been honored to know some) never portray their service in grandiose terms, telling TV cameras that they're reporting for duty. Real heroes may be proud of the sacrifices they offered, but they don't shout for attention.

This is so profoundly a part of the military code of behavior that it cannot
be over-emphasized. The rule is that those who brag about being heroes
usually aren't heroes at all. Bragging is for drunks at the end of the bar,
not for real vets. And certainly not for anyone who wishes to trade on his
service to become our commander-in-chief.

I wish Kerry were better. The truth is that I'm appalled by Bush's domestic
policies. I believe that the Cheney-Halliburton connection stinks to high
heaven. And I'm convinced that Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld & Co. have done colossal damage to our military and to our foreign policy.

But we're at war. And for all his faults, Bush has proven himself as a great
wartime leader. Despite painful mistakes, he's served our security needs
remarkably well. And security trumps all else in the age of terror.

Kerry says many of the right things. But I can't believe a word of it. I
just can't trust John Kerry. I can't trust him to lead, I can't trust him to
fight - and I can't trust him to make the right kind of peace.

I have reservations about voting for George W. Bush. But I have no
reservations about voting against John Kerry. And I'm not alone.

Ralph Peters is a retired Army officer and a regular Post contributor.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is by far one of the best pieces I've read in a long time.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great find, oflyboy!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is a "soapbox hero". His did his duty. He dishonors it by announcing it. Many people don't know George Bush Sr was shot down 3 miles off a Japanese island, but had to swim away because the POW camp was notorious for cutting open GI's alive, ripping out their livers and eating them. He was then fortunately rescued by a passing sub.

It's called "uncommon valor", something this fake, phony, fraud knows NOTHING of.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:19 am    Post subject: Re: Ralph Peters article "Heroes Don't Shout" Reply with quote

oflyboy wrote:


HEROES DON'T SHOUT

Ralph Peters

NY Post

The rule is that those who brag about being heroes
usually aren't heroes at all. Bragging is for drunks at the end of the bar,
not for real vets


I have told people for years...
"The ones that talk the most...probably seen the least"
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Ralph Peters article "Heroes Don't Shout" Reply with quote

oflyboy wrote:


Finally - and this is the one the pundits have trouble grasping, given the
self-promoting nature of today's culture - real heroes don't call themselves
heroes. Honorable soldiers or sailors don't brag. They let their deeds speak for themselves. Some of the most off-putting words any veteran can utter are "I'm a war hero."

Real heroes (and I've been honored to know some) never portray their service in grandiose terms, telling TV cameras that they're reporting for duty. Real heroes may be proud of the sacrifices they offered, but they don't shout for attention.

This is so profoundly a part of the military code of behavior that it cannot
be over-emphasized. The rule is that those who brag about being heroes
usually aren't heroes at all. Bragging is for drunks at the end of the bar,
not for real vets. And certainly not for anyone who wishes to trade on his
service to become our commander-in-chief.


Ralph Peters is a retired Army officer and a regular Post contributor.


I agree about real heroes. My dad and his brother were awarded bronze stars in WWII and I didn't find out about it until after my dad died. I had heard him mention the incident before, but not in the context of receiving a medal.. In short, they were truck drivers in Patton's army who delivered vital supplies to a place they weren't supposed to be able to get to. When my dad talked about it it was in the context that he had proved some officers wrong rather than that what he did was regarded as an heroic act.

Recounting past heroics is often a characteristic of old men who don't expect to do anything important anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Ralph Peters article "Heroes Don't Shout" Reply with quote

jalexson wrote:
My dad and his brother were awarded bronze stars in WWII and I didn't find out about it until after my dad died.


BINGO.....that is the mark of a REAL hero.... Surprised

I must admit ...I will open up sometimes to another combat vet,

Not war stories just general chit chat...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Ralph Peters article "Heroes Don't Shout" Reply with quote

[quote="ALMOUNT"]
oflyboy wrote:


I have told people for years...
"The ones that talk the most...probably seen the least"


I went to the Delta Raiders website and was inspired by the stories of CMH winners Sims & Hooper.

THANX!!

LENNY
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Peters Article and Heroes Reply with quote

Peters seems dead on target. True heros seem to only very rarely seek publicity or speak much about their heroism.

Example: John Bradley, the Navy corpsman who was one of the 6 who raised the flag on Iwo Jima, was rather well known for that act (though he shunned publicty for it).

What's not as well known is that John Bradley received the Navy Cross for heroism while treating wounded Marines on Iwo on D+2.

If I recall his son's book correctly ("Flags of Our Fathers", by James Bradley - a DAMN good read), his son only found out about his Navy Cross when he found the medal in a shoebox in his father's office after his death.
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