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risawn
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:04 am    Post subject: Feeling a bit of remorse for the enemy? Reply with quote

You know, a part of me deep down is starting to feel sorry for Kerry, especially if this thing keeps escalating out of control and he can't do anything to stop it. You know, that has to really take a lot out of a person, no matter who they are.

Then I think about all the crap that he's done and the sorrow disappears rather quickly. He brought it on himself, he has nobody to blame but him.

Once he's out of the running for my Commander in Chief, then maybe I won't bash him as hard.

(unfortunately, as a member of the military, if he does make it to being my CIC, I have made a vow not to bash that office either regardless who holds it, so I guess my bashing will diminish either way)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will NEVER feel sorry for him. He doesn't have enough of a conscience to ever feel guilty for the pain he has caused others. He only knows the pain of obstacles to his own ambitions.

I DO worry about the people who have been his little "Band of Brothers." When the truth hits them, it's going to hit HARD. When the blinders come off, they are going to feel a terrible amount of pain. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pity party is a political ploy. Say that three times fast, then remember what is a stake.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I'm not going to let myself feel that again. I felt that for Al Gore, because he lost his shot to become president, and I hate for anyone to have their dreams shattered. However, listening and watching his Michael Moore type speeches since then, I no longer feel it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hear hear.

I guess my thing is often times I get caught up in the human factor as well. . . the fact that everyone is human and we all make mistakes.

But some mistakes just can't be ignored or forgiven.

I don't know if Kerry will know the full repercussions of his actions until he meets his maker. I have no fear that he won't get what he deserves one day, and he seems to be getting plenty of it now.

I've been followign this forum pretty closely for the last week and a half, getting really caught up with this whole matter (i usually avoid politics pretty much, kinda like the plague). A part of me really wants to see this man break and suffer for what he's done.

But a part of me just wants him to get what is his due (basically which would mean NOT getting the Oval Office and eventually being kicked out of the Senate, and seeing some sort of justice due to his blatant lying to the court. I don't give a flying rats behind about him and Theresa, they seem to deserve each other).

I don't know how far I want to see him break however. Somethings I would rather feel more fortunate about not witnessing.

But I agree, if anybody deserves it, it is most likely him.

Go Swifties! You have my full support!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see him taken out of politics totally. He's done grave damage to this country already, and could do a lot more in the future. Just ending this presidential race isn't enough, he could still get a prominent position where his influence could be felt. I'm for taking this as far as possible, short of inventing anything, I won't go there. I feel no pity for him, he did this to himself through his own actions over 35 years, and he deserves what he gets. I guess I'm heartless, eh? Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A French-American friend of my liberal wife (double whammy!) Rolling Eyes started flapping her yap about how "everyone in Europe" thinks our current POTUS is a "criminal" and she is "embarrassed that she is from America".
My follow up to that wasn't pretty to say the least.

Regardless, if the treasonous Mr. Kerry should somehow weasle himself into the White House, I might be saying the same thing about a criminal POTUS and my shame that we let him take control of the nation.

Munster has to go down HARD enough so he can't get up. It is an outrage that he is even a Senator, but President?!? Unfathomable.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Feeling a bit of remorse for the enemy? Reply with quote

risawn wrote:
You know, a part of me deep down is starting to feel sorry for Kerry, especially if this thing keeps escalating out of control and he can't do anything to stop it. You know, that has to really take a lot out of a person, no matter who they are.

Then I think about all the crap that he's done and the sorrow disappears rather quickly. He brought it on himself, he has nobody to blame but him.

Once he's out of the running for my Commander in Chief, then maybe I won't bash him as hard.

(unfortunately, as a member of the military, if he does make it to being my CIC, I have made a vow not to bash that office either regardless who holds it, so I guess my bashing will diminish either way)



I don't feel sorry for him. Kerry does not feel sorry for any of the Cambodias or Vietnamese who were murdered even though he says his North Vietnamese and VC friends told him they wouldn't kill civilians. Kerry lied about being in Cambodia in order to stop aid to our ally the contras.How many Contras were killed because of this? If Kerry had his way today there would still be comuminist goverments in Central America.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just my intuition but if he looses this thing and he very well may,

he will crack and it won't be pretty. There are some things you just

can't "see" and I don't see him loosing with any grace at all.

In a straight jacket maybe but not with grace. I think the man is mental.

He has spent his whole life faking his way toward this, and I am telling

you, it will never "compute" for him. He will go down screaming.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Feeling a bit of remorse for the enemy? Reply with quote

risawn wrote:
You know, a part of me deep down is starting to feel sorry for Kerry, especially if this thing keeps escalating out of control and he can't do anything to stop it. You know, that has to really take a lot out of a person, no matter who they are.

Then I think about all the crap that he's done and the sorrow disappears rather quickly. He brought it on himself, he has nobody to blame but him.

Once he's out of the running for my Commander in Chief, then maybe I won't bash him as hard.

(unfortunately, as a member of the military, if he does make it to being my CIC, I have made a vow not to bash that office either regardless who holds it, so I guess my bashing will diminish either way)


I don't feel sorry for Kerry...I feel sorry for the poor bastards that had to endure torture at the HHilton...court. of John Kerry.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Risawn --

Sorry for Kerry? NO, NADDA, NEVER. I save my feeling sorry for the Vets who never recovered from the way they were treated by the war protestors fuel by Kerry's baby killer testimony. These are the guys who came back to the US without a big trust fund, ivy league education, or rich heiress wife (Kerry's first wife was worth $300million) to support them.

These soldiers were denied the honor and gratitude they earned through sacrifice, unlike Kerry's self-serving opportunism. Take all of your pity and give it to someone who deserves it. Give all your emotional caring to someone who needs it.

Sorry for Kerry that he won't (Dear God please hear my prayer) become CIC --- NO, NADDA, NEVER. Kerry will return to his job in the Senate, where he has never worked very hard, and his six mansions, and his billion dollar wife. When he isn't yachting, or flying around in this private jet to wind surf or snowboard.


And hopefully, finally honor will be restored to all of those maligned by Kerry over 30 years ago. My sympathy goes to those Vets who have suffered because of Kerry. I don't feel sorry for Hilter, Stalin, Lenin, Ho Chi Min, or Pol Pot either.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kerry is only a victim of his own words and actions. I neither pitty him nor feel remorse about the Truth being told!
Mr. Kerry opened this can of worms decades ago, then promptly mad it the Nations Buisness when he decided to run for the Presidency. If he wants it all to end, I suppose he could do the decent thing, tell the truth, sign a 180, and make a full and honest apology to ALL Veterans of Vietnam.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:49 pm    Post subject: Wake up Reply with quote

We all better realize that the MSM is looking for a way to make the Swiftboat story go away. They can't argue the facts so they just dismiss them. They are already consistently saying that it was the "fog of war" and other such nonsense. They refuse to look at the inconsistencies in the story and the hard facts. They spend more time trying to prove how the Bush campaign is behing it. They are going to try to use the RNC Convention coverage to bury this story. We better wake up. As I've said in other parts of this Forum we can complain to each other all we want but that doesn't force the media to look at the issues. Email them every time you see a falsehood on demand a journalistic standatrd stating specific facts. This fight is far from over.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Feeling a bit of remorse for the enemy? Reply with quote

risawn wrote:
You know, a part of me deep down is starting to feel sorry for Kerry..


Perhaps some day when this is all over and our country is safe from him and I hear that he is penning autobiography after revised autobiography and maybe see a photo of him saluting the seagulls out on one of his yachts, I may have a moment of "feeling sorry," as I would for any person who is crushed by their own karma....

But right now while he has his eye on the prize that he has sought for most of his life and he is so close to getting it, he will bring to bear all the deepest capacities of his unstable, juvenile and dangerous nature -- and it is the SBFVT (particularly them!) and it is all of us and it is this nation that I worry about right now. "Say something often enough and it will be believed": this tool of his is very powerful and he is master of it -- and not just him, he and his people, and his little dog teddy, too, are all wielding this weapon and have for some time -- for some LONG, long time.

Pity? None. Not one flinch. I knew a woman who had "pity" for a murderer because she was thinking about how he had been a "little child once" and how he had been innocent and that something awful must have happened to him while he was growing up for him to do what he did, and in her eyes, when she saw the man, she remembered the child. Obviously, everyone has been an innocent child and we can all love the children. But when I saw that man -- I was thinking about his victims and what each one had gone thru in their last moments ... It's a difference in the way one views reality, I guess... what the test of their empathy reveals as they take a walk in the shoes of each party...

Actions have consequences for which one is personally responsible, and if that is never learned, perhaps conscience cannot be developed, character cannot be built. Kerry is now faced with dealing with the consequences of a lifetime of manipulative, self-serving/calculated actions that have hurt people (and nations) -- up until now, he has not had to. Almost like a spoiled child in some ways...

The SBVFT are bringing justice to this man with gloves off -- from the beginning and continuing -- just direct, honest real truth. I cannot pity a man squirming and twisting and dancing away from his own truths.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rb325th wrote:
Kerry is only a victim of his own words and actions. I neither pitty him nor feel remorse about the Truth being told!
Mr. Kerry opened this can of worms decades ago, then promptly mad it the Nations Buisness when he decided to run for the Presidency. If he wants it all to end, I suppose he could do the decent thing, tell the truth, sign a 180, and make a full and honest apology to ALL Veterans of Vietnam.

The dispassionate reason to make John Kerry go away for me is this:

Regardless of whether his motives were political, or whether he "felt a sense of duty":

The remarks and testimonies he gave affected national policy and views for decades (yes, that's right, as long as this issue is "old").
Several of these remarks and testimonies were given, from memories that were either very faulty, or quite possibly simple lies.
Two or more "faulty memory" issues have been verified by John Kerry's campaign, to date.
John Kerry made little, if any, effort to verify data as he presented "witnesses" and "facts" before Congress.
At best, he did not possess the ability to verify credentials of founders of VVAW.
At worst, he ignored what he knew, and was a collaborator.

If nothing else, this indicates he would be:
Far less reliable when making important decisions, such as when/whether to use military force.
His lack of ability to get "background" is demonstrable.
His ability to decide which actions would be appropriate are historically recorded.
His ability to see long range consequences need no serious research.

Unless an opponent of John Kerry's had demonstrated the lack of similar skill sets, it seems to me like the choice should be fairly obvious.

One does not vote for and elect a candidate because it might make him feel bad otherwise.
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