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Kerry/McCain; Genocide & Human Rights Crimes (SEA)

Article #1. (Kerry and McCain Shield Communist Vietnam's Slaughter of Christians)

Article #2. (Kerry (D-MA) Inaction Kills Human Rights Legislation)


I see that Kerry is now covering (flip/flop) his butt as a Cosponsor of S.RES.343 (27 Apr 2004) (A resolution calling on the Government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam to respect all universally recognized human rights, including the right to freedom of religion and to participate in religious activities and institutions without interference or involvement of the Government; and to respect the human rights of ethnic minority groups in the Central Highlands and elsewhere in Vietnam.)

The ultimate human rights/ genocide flip flop on Kerry’s part. In 2000, the House of Representatives passed H. R. 2833 with a Slam Dunk Vote of 411-1. H.R. 2833 died in the Senate because John (The Socialist Republic of Vietnam Candidate) Kerry stoned it! This is a stunning vote of solidarity on the part of the House, but they didn’t consider Kerry over in the Senate. Really makes me wonder about Kerry and McCain. McCain is not a co-sponsor of S. Res. 343.
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“International Christian Concern President Jeff King also alleges that he's heard complaints about Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat running for president, and McCain, an Arizona Republican who ran for president in 2000, from some of their congressional colleagues on Vietnam's abuses.”
"Senators have complained to us that these guys (Kerry & McCain) are the fast friends of the Vietnamese, and they've blocked any real attempt at reform or punishment for these types of abuses, and so Vietnam continues to get away with murder," King told CNSNews.com.”
“Has Senator John Kerry been pressured by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam to kill or stall Bill HR-2833? Is this why Senator Kerry is so eager to grant Most Favorable Nation (MFN) trade status for Vietnam? Kerry’s inaction on HR-2833 allows the Vietnam’s genocide and sterilization programs in the Central Highlands region to continue today.
Is Senator Kerry going to stall HR-2833 until the region is under complete control of the Vietnamese, until all the Dega Montagnard peoples are driven out or killed, before he allows the Vietnam Human Rights Act on to the Senate floor for a vote?”
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Kerry must be running for President and supporting S. RES 343 now because he and his Socialist Republic of Vietnam friends have killed off all the remaining Montagnards!

Please read the bottom three articles, the first refers to the current bill (S.RES 343) and the last two concern Kerry and McCain blocking H.R. 2833:

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S.RES.343 : A resolution calling on the Government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam to respect all universally recognized human rights, including the right to freedom of religion and to participate in religious activities and institutions without interference or involvement of the Government; and to respect the human rights of ethnic minority groups in the Central Highlands and elsewhere in Vietnam.

Sponsor: Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN] (introduced 4/27/2004) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Foreign Relations
Latest Major Action: 4/27/2004 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.


COSPONSORS(5), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Sen Allen, George [VA] - 4/27/2004
Sen Coleman, Norm [MN] - 4/29/2004

Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 5/6/2004
Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE] - 4/27/2004

Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 4/27/2004



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Kerry and McCain Shield Communist Vietnam's Slaughter of Christians
David Thibault, CNSNews.com
Thursday, May 20, 2004
The Vietnamese communist government's alleged murder of hundreds of tribal Christians requires a response by the U.S. government, but any effort to sanction Vietnam is being blocked by Sens. John Kerry and John McCain, according to a Washington, D.C., human rights group.
International Christian Concern President Jeff King also alleges that he's heard complaints about Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat running for president, and McCain, an Arizona Republican who ran for president in 2000, from some of their congressional colleagues on Vietnam's abuses.
"Senators have complained to us that these guys are the fast friends of the Vietnamese, and they've blocked any real attempt at reform or punishment for these types of abuses, and so Vietnam continues to get away with murder," King told CNSNews.com.
When asked to name the senators who had complained, King quickly replied, "No way." But he added, "It's not a political thing."
Kerry and McCain are "known as being big defenders of Vietnam," and the senators unhappy with Kerry and McCain are "people with a human rights angle," King said.
International Christian Concern (ICC) alleges that an Easter crackdown by the Vietnamese government against Montagnard Christians in Vietnam's Central Highlands resulted in the deaths of at least 280 people.
At least an additional 26 people are missing, according to ICC, which claims to be getting information from the Vietnamese villages affected.
"We have the reports coming in from different villages - people calling in and saying, 'Here's how many we lost, here's the names and what village,'" King said, adding that the information is difficult to obtain because Vietnamese soldiers have attempted to seal off the affected villages to outsiders.
The persecution of the Montagnards allegedly can be traced as far back as the end of the Vietnam War. "They were friends with the U.S. back in the war, so they've just been marked ever since and hated," King said.
Three years ago, according to King, the Vietnamese government launched a similar crackdown when the Montagnards protested their living conditions and Vietnamese soldiers ended up killing about 400 pastors, he said.
Kok Ksor, president of Montagnard Foundation Inc., left Vietnam in 1975 and for the last 14 years has fought to "preserve the lives and culture" of the Montagnard Christians from his home in Spartanburg, S.C.
'Let the World Know'
"We don't have any right to our ancestral land. They confiscate all of our land ... they relocate our people from our ancestral land, good farm land, to the land where we could not grow anything to survive," Ksor told CNSNews.com.
"The people can't take any more. They said: 'Sooner or later, we're going to die. But before we die, we have to let the world know,'" Ksor added.
U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., has met in the past with Vietnamese officials and been promised that his staff would be given access to the villages in the Central Highlands, according to Aaron Groote, Brownback's press secretary.
"When the staff arrived, however, they were not allowed to enter the region," Groote stated in a response to questions from CNSNews.com.
"We don't want to speculate on the exact number of killings, but there have certainly been substantiated reports of many deaths and the violent suppression of demonstrators by the Vietnamese government," Groote added.
As for congressional attempts to stop the persecution, Brownback "feels strongly that we have not seen the improvements in Vietnam's human rights record that some people claim have been made in the past three years," Groote stated. He added that his boss "remains very concerned about the situation there."
An aide to McCain echoed those comments.
'Bilateral Solution'
"Senator McCain is ... monitoring all human rights violations in Vietnam, including the deaths of tribal Christians, and ... we hope to work with the government to approach a bilateral solution to this problem," the aide, who did not want to be identified, told CNSNews.com.
McCain's aide refused to address the complaint alleging that the senator, along with Kerry, were "fast friends" of the Vietnamese communists.
A telephone call to Kerry's Senate office, seeking comment for this report, was not returned.
The U.S. State Department releases an annual report on religious persecution around the world and in its 2003 report categorized several nations as "countries of particular concern." Vietnam was not on the list.
However, a State Department spokesman told CNSNews.com on Wednesday that "there is a process under way right now ... about which countries might be named" in the 2004 report.
If a nation makes it to the list of "countries of particular concern," it sets into motion a process by which the State Department could impose economic sanctions. The sanctions are authorized under the International Religious Freedom Act.
However, King believes there are other steps available for Congress to seek punishment of Vietnam for abuses of human rights.
"Whether that's censure, whether that's tariffs, whether that's trading sanctions - there are any number of things to do, but the point is that [Kerry and McCain] block almost all of these things," King said.
Even the Bush administration is not doing as much as ICC would like, though King conceded, "Bush has been pretty good as a friend of the persecuted Christians around the world."
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Kerry (D-MA) Inaction Kills Human Rights Legislation

WASHINGTON - Despite growing calls from human rights groups, US Army Special Forces veterans, and pleas from homeless refugees fleeing genocide Senator John Kerry (D-MA) has stalled the Vietnam Human Rights Act (Senate Bill HR-2833) since September 2001.

The stalled Bill would have sanctioned the communist Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) against further racially based sterilization, terrorism and genocide of the Christian hilltribe Dega peoples living in the Central Highlands region of the country.

The Degar tribes people, commonly known to westerners as the Montagnards, are ethnically unrelated to the Vietnamese. The Central Highlands region was never a traditional part of Vietnam. The region has been the home of the Degar tribes for at least a thousand years.

With HR-2833 stalled by John Kerry of Massachussetts, Vietnam is free to continue its widely publicized “cultural leveling” program. This means Vietnam will continue without restriction the ethnic cleansing of the Degar Christians in the Central Highlands region in an attempt to gain control of the Dega land and resources.

As recently as 1970 there were an estimated 3 million Montagnards in various tribes living in the region but as a result of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam’s ongoing campaign of ethnic terror and extermination, the total population of Montagnards is now below 650,000. Nearly two thirds of the Montagnards have died in only 32 years, including more than half the male population.

This is undisguised genocide.

This is why HR-2833 was passed without delay through the House of Representatives last summer by a margin of 411 to 1 to bring an immediate halt to this tragic situation. The Bill was then rushed to the Senate where immediate passage was expected due to the urgency of the current situation.

But since September 2001 Senator John Kerry of Massachussetts has thwarted all attempts to bring HR-2833 to the floor for a vote. Kerry’s deliberate sabotage of this urgent legislation has caused grave concern in the human rights community, especially because there is no explanation for Kerry’s position. Attempts to contact the Senator on this issue have been ignored by his office.

John Kerry needs to do some explaining before this gets worse. Or simply change his position. The Daily Catholic is listing him as a “Herod’s Hero” for having the second worst human rights record in the US Congress. A Montagnard source informed us it was common knowledge in the 1970s that there were serious business dealings involving Kerry and the late Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown with the new incoming communist government. Windfall profits of more than half a million dollars were paid to Ron Brown according to the same source. Sources inside and outside the Degar community say Kerry has proposed future dealings with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

Has Senator John Kerry been pressured by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam to kill or stall Bill HR-2833? Is this why Senator Kerry so eager to grant Most Favorable Nation (MFN) trade status for Vietnam?

Kerry’s inaction on HR-2833 allows the Vietnam’s genocide and sterilization programs in the Central Highlands region to continue today.

Is Senator Kerry going to stall HR-2833 until the region is under complete control of the Vietnamese, until all the Dega Montagnard peoples driven out or killed, before he allows the Vietnam Human Rights Act onto the Senate floor for a vote?


Copyright © 2002, Green Berets for Human Rights
www.gb4hr.net

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[Chuck54]

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I forgot to meation that Kerry's cousin, C. Stuwart Forbes, the CEO of Collier's International was awarded the first contract with North Vietnam once relations were normalized. Kerry's payoff was $905 million dollars.

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[Scott]

cipher,

Check this thread out: http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4667
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Bye bye, Boston Straggler!

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Kerry’s Ethics Violation and Payoff will sink him!!!!!!

Kerry’s Ethics Violation and Big Payoff. The voters will soon know of his betrayal. Kerry’s big payoff for aiding the enemy: $905 million. Read article below:

“Senate Ethics Committee staff director and chief counsel Victor M. Baird acknowledged the Senate rules stipulated no senator shall aid in passing legislation whose “principal purpose” is to benefit “only” himself or a member of his family.”

"The Senate Ethics staff director wrote, “Absent some evidence of improper conduct or a violation of a rule or law,” the committee would not review the matter because “the final decision on a Senator’s public decisions is generally reserved for the voters.”

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Kerry on the Record: Ties With Vietnam
Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2004
Editor’s note: This is Part 3 in a series revealing the Democratic front-runner's track record on the important issues of the day.
Part 1: POWs and MIAs
Part 2: Defense
WASHINGTON – One of the issues sure to be dogging Democrat presidential front-runner John Kerry will be whether a member of his family improperly benefited from the senator’s leading role in “normalizing” relations between the U.S. and Vietnam.
Massachusetts' junior U.S. senator was rather summarily cleared of wrongdoing by the staff of the Senate Ethics Committee. But questions persist.
In the early 1990s, Kerry headed a Senate committee that was supposed to determine whatever became of American troops in the Vietnam War whose whereabouts were not recorded.
Under his leadership, the panel concluded there was “no evidence” that any Americans left behind in Vietnam were still alive. Some veterans groups and the vice chairman of Kerry’s committee dispute that claim.
A few weeks after the Senate panel’s hearings had concluded, according to Center for Public Integrity, Kerry’s participation in the committee became “controversial” when Hanoi announced that it had awarded a fat contract to Boston real estate firm Colliers International, then headed by the senator’s cousin Stuart Forbes.
Coincidence? And was there really “no evidence” that American fighting men left behind in Vietnam were alive? Experts who have examined the issue ridicule the former or vehemently reject the latter.
Taking the question of “no evidence” first:
'Plenty of Evidence'
“There was plenty of evidence,” said the vice chairman of the Kerry committee, Robert Smith, then a Republican U.S. senator from New Hampshire.
Smith, now seeking a U.S. Senate seat from Florida, declined to criticize Kerry directly, but agreed to be interviewed by NewsMax.com on “anything but presidential politics.”
He cited testimony by former Defense Secretaries Melvin Laird and James Schlessinger, as well as former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Based on intelligence information and reliable eyewitness accounts, all believed that men were left behind and unaccounted for who might very well be alive.
“They [the North Vietnamese] captured them. They must have known what happened to them. If [the American prisoners] died, they [North Vietnamese] should have told us,” he said.
As for Hanoi’s awarding a contract to a firm headed by a Kerry relative, Senate Ethics Committee staff director and chief counsel Victor M. Baird acknowledged the Senate rules stipulated no senator shall aid in passing legislation whose “principal purpose” is to benefit “only” himself or a member of his family.
Nothing in the publicity on the contract “suggests that Senator Kerry had anything to do with the decision of the Vietnamese government to trade with Colliers International,” Baird stated in a letter to Ted Sampley, who now heads a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.
“When was the last time the Senate Ethics Committee did anything to their members?” scoffed John LeBoutillier, a former congressman who is a columnist for NewsMax.com.
“It’s a small world, isn’t it, when the cousin of the key senator who cleans up this [MIA] issue suddenly gets the contract? Now, what are the odds of that?” he asked.
LeBoutillier heads Skyhook 2 Project, dedicated to recovering living American POWs in Southeast Asia. During his congressional days, the Long Island, N.Y., Republican was a member of a Special House POW/MIA Task Force.
'Kerry Trashed the Evidence'
In an interview with NewsMax, he expressed disgust that Kerry and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., both Vietnam veterans, had “ignored the evidence” and made a bipartisan pitch to “normalize” relations with Hanoi.
“Kerry trashed the evidence. He wouldn’t hear of it,” added LeBoutillier.
Smith puts it this way: “We know they [North Vietnam] have answers, and I get sick and tired of these people saying we’ve gotten the fullest possible accounting. That’s just total garbage. We have not. Dead or alive, they still have information.”
In the letter washing his hands of the whole question of Kerry’s cousin benefiting from “normalization” with Hanoi, the Senate Ethics staff director wrote, “Absent some evidence of improper conduct or a violation of a rule or law,” the committee would not review the matter because “the final decision on a Senator’s public decisions is generally reserved for the voters.”
Interested parties interpret that as a way of saying the Ethics Committee’s level of curiosity will not lead to an investigation to determine if there has been “improper conduct or a violation of a rule of law.”
Thus, although we might never know, the senator’s quest for the White House will introduce the issue to a wider group of voters than those within the confines of Massachusetts.

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And here are the POW's/ MIA's who got buried for Kerry's $905 million which only required an ethics violation. One can tell that Senator Bob Smith, the Vice-Chairman was none to happy to bury these guys. And how can Kerry get away with an ethics violation? Back then, the Senate was controlled by ...............that's correct, the Democrats!!!!!!!!!! Please read below and send it around!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

U.S. POW/MIA's Who May Have Survived In Captivity

Bob Smith
New Hampshire
United States Senate
Washington, D.C. 20510
U.S. POW/MIAs WHO MAY HAVE SURVIVED IN CAPTIVITY
Prepared by the Office of Senator Bob Smith
Vice-Chairman, Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs
December 1, 1992
This listing contains the names of 324 STILL UNACCOUNTED FOR U.S. personnel from the Vietnam Conflict. Approximately 300 of these personnel were last known alive in captivity in Vietnam and Laos, last known alive, out of their aircraft before it crashed, or their names were passed to POWs who later returned. A handful of the cases involves incidents where the aircraft was later found on the ground with no signs of the crew. This listing is based on all-source U.S. intelligence and casualty reports, information provided by POWs who were returned, lists of POWs and/or last known alive personnel prepared by the Defense Intelligence Agency, and other information made available to the Vice-Chairman, Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. (The difference between 300 and 324 accounts for known incidents where one or more unidentified crew members were captured from a crew of more than one, or the aircraft was found with no trace of the crew.) Based on the high number of MIAs at the end of the war who are still unaccounted for (currently 1,170 persons for whom the USG does not know their fate), it is probable that a significant percentage of the MIAs NOT on this 324 list actually survived their incident and could have been captured. Apparently, only the Vietnamese and Laotians would know their fate, as the U.S. Governemnt does not. GIVEN THIS REALITY, THE LIST OF 324 NAMES WHICH FOLLOWS IS AT BEST CONSERVATIVE.....

Acosto-Rosario, Humberto USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list).

Adam, John G. USAF Laos, name mentioned by Soviet
correspondent. (NSA correlation)

Adams, Lee Aaron USAF Hearsay second hand knowledge of
Adams survival provided by POW
returnee Michael Brazelton. (See
Brazelton debrief B050)

Algard, Harold L. USA possibly captured alive
according to NSA intercept
correlation (intercept - three
out of five from JU21A incident
alive and captured.)

Allard, Richard M. USA POW identified by family
members in Vietcong film clips.
Mother claims to Associated
Press (3/9/73) to have been
allowed to see Allard in NVN
prison camp in Cambodia. (See AP
story 3/9/73)

Allsinson, David J. USAF -good chute observed. (See Tomes
and Smith debriefs, T032 and
S014).
-good chute, DIA 1979 report

Anderson, Gregory Lee USAF beeper heard for short period.
DIA analytical comment, 1979.

Anderson, Robert D. USAF believed to have ejected from
aircraft according to POW
returnee Latella debrief L079.

Andrews, William R. USAF -voice contact made on ground,
wounded. DIA analytical comment,
1979.
-POW according to second hand
hearsay information obtained
through prison communication
(see POW returnee Brady and
Talley debriefs, B096 and T001)

Ard, Randolph J. USA Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Surviv Code 1)

Armstrong, John W. USAF Laos, known captured.
Interviewed by Soviet
correspondent. (NSA intercept
correlation.)

Ashlock, Carlos USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Avery, Robert D. USMC POW according to passed down
list. POW early returnee Norris
Charles memorized a list of
reported prisoners which
included Avery's full name.

Ayers, Gerald F. USAF POW held in cell 5 at Hao Lao
prison according to hearsay
information Gartley debrief
(G006)

Ayers, Richard L. USAF -Laos, possible correlation as
POW in Cu Loc and Zoo prisons
according to hearsay information
provided by POW returnee Leo
Hyatt H097)
-Shoot-down of aircraft
confirmed by Hanoi radio with no
mention of fate of the crew.

Babula, Robert L. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Backus, Kenneth F. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive (DoD April 1991 list)

Baker, Arthur D. USAF Laos, believed to have
successfully got out of his
aircraft and was alive on the
ground. Last known alive (DoD
April 1991 list)

Balcom, Ralph C. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Bancroft, William W. USAF possibly captured according to
NSA intercept correlation (one
known captured from crew of two)

Bannon, Paul W. USAF Laos, possible correlation to
live-sighting information and
intelligence pertaining to 1981
Nhom marrot activities (25 June
1981 Defense Department
closed-door testimony)

Barden, Howard L. USAF Laos. survival possible, DIA
1979 rpt.

Beene, James A. USN name heard in prison
communication according to
hearsay knowledge by POW
returnee James Mulligan M131.

Begley, Burriss N. USAF -Name scratched on floor at Ha
Lo prison. (see Stutz debrief
123)
-last known direct voice contact
with Begley was during incident
when Begley stated he was
ejecting from his aircraft.

Bennett, William G. USAF POW according to second hand
info. Reported as prisoner on
Hanoi radio broadcast. (see
Overly debrief.)

Bodenschatz, John E. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Bogiages, Christos C. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Borah, Daniel V. USN -hostile captured, (DoD June
1973 list)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)
-known captured according to NSA
intercept correlation.

Borton, Robert C. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Bouchard, Micahel USN Laos, possible POW in good
health according to notes
obtained in prison by POW
returnee Roger Miller. The name
"Boucher" was passed.

Bram, Richard C. USMC -last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)
-reported as POW by SVN Pol.
(DIA 1979 report)

Brandenberg, Dale USAF Laos, EC47Q, Baron 52, believed
to have been captured according
to analysts in 1973 based on NSA
intelligence reports.

Brashear, William J. USAF -Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Brennan, Herbert O. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Breuer, Donald C. USMC Laos, good parachute reported by
enemy reports they are
attempting capture according to
NSA intercept correlation.

Brown, George R. USA Laos, known to be alive on the
ground during helicopter
exfiltration. When the rope
ladder broke and hostile forces
approached, the helicopter
departed leaving Brown and
Huston, alive and unwounded.
Search team inserted four days
later. No sign of Brown or
Huston. (JCRC report)

Brown, Harry W. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Brown, Robert M. USAF Laos/NVN, Captured alive
according to same day
intelligence report indicating
capture of pilot(s) of a low
flying aircraft in same location
and giving orders to "conceal
the accomplishment." (No other
shootdowns correlate to this
report.) Intelligence report one
week later requested special
Vietnamese team to transport the
hulk of an F-111. NSA analyst
recalls Brown on list of POWs
moved to Sam Neua for movement
to USSR. Brown's military ID
card has surfaced in good
condition at military museum in
Vinh. NVN defector states intact
portion of F-111 sent to China
same month as Brown shoot-down,
NVN photographers not allowed to
keep photos of the F-111.

Brownlee, Charles R. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Brownlee, Robert W. USA Evaded on the ground with RVN.
Lt. (POW Returnee William Reeder
debrief)

Brucher, John M. USAF voice contact made, injured in
parachute in tree. DIA report,
1979. last known alive (DoD
April 191 list)

Buckley, Louis USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Buell, Kenneth R. USN possibly captured according to
NSA intercept correlation (one
pilot captured from incident)

Bunker, Park G. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Burnett, Sheldon J. USA Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Bynum, Neil S. USAF Laos, one pilot parachuted and
probably captured according to
NSA intercept correlation. (F4D
two seater)

Carlock, Ralph L. USAF -Laos, POW, captured by PL forces
according to FBIS intercepted PL
radio communication.
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Carr, Donald Gene USA Laos, reported as POW (DoD DOI
Rpt. July 1971)

Carroll, John L. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Carter, Dennis R. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Champion, James A. USA Survived helicopter and was
observed walking away from site
in good physical condition armed
with an M-16 rifle. M154
debrief.

Chestnut, Joseph L. USAF -Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-captured according to NVN
records. (source: Bob Destatte,
Bill Bell JTF-FA
-sighted alive in captivity
after the war. Source: Bill
Bell, JTF-FA

Cichon, Walter A. USA -possibly captured acording to
DIA analytical comment, 1979
-last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-wartime ralliers reported
Cichon as captured (DIA 1992
analytical comment)
-U.S. field investigation has
identified Vietnamese witness
who states Cichon was captured
and transferred to higher
authorities.

Clark, Richard C. USN -good chute observed. (DIA
analytical comment, 1979.)
-hostile captured (DoD June 1973
list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-name on memorized list of POWs
according to information from
POW returnee C.P. Zuhoski.

Clarke, Fred L. USAF Laos, one parachute observed
from mid-air collision, possible
correlation. (DIA report, 1979)

Clarke, George W. USAF -Laos/VN, hostile captured. (DoD
June 1973 list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973.
-last known alive, Laos. (DoD
April 1991 list)

Coady, Robert F. USAF Laos, hearsay POW - Rumble
debrief. (DIA 3 Oct. 1969, State
25 Sept. 1969)

Cohron, James D. USA Laos, last known alive (DoD
April 1991 list)

Collamore, Allan P. USN first hand contact by tap code
in prison system made by POW
returnee James Mulligan.

Condit, Douglas C. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Cook, Dwight W. USAF -identified as POW by Thai
returnees, 1973.
-possibly captured according to
NSA intercept correlation.

Cook, Kelly F. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Cornwell, Leroy J. USAF Laos, name reported by POW
returnee Arthur Cormier. (JSSA).

Cramer, Donald R. USA name passed on a note in
Cu-Loc/Zoo prison according to
POW returnee Charles. Name in
the POW memory bank according to
POW returnees Jeffrey and
Charles.

Creed, Barton S. USN -Laos, voice contact on ground,
DIA 1973. "may have been
captured" DIA rpt. 1979.
-JTF-FA Survive Code 1 (13 March
1992)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)
-NSA intercept correlation.

Cressman, Peter R. USAF Laos, EC47Q, Baron 52, believed
to have been captured according
to analysts in 1973 based on NSA
intelligence reports.

Crew, James A. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Cristman, Frederick L. USA Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Crockett, William J. USAF possibly captured according to
NSA intercept correlation. (one
pilot captured from two-seater
aircraft)

Cushman, Clifton E. USAF POW according to hearsay
information obtained by POW
returnee Hyatt (H097 debrief)
Name mentioned in French news
report following incident.

Cuthbert, Bradley G. USAF -Seen alive in good chute
(according to Ruhling debrief
R053)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive (DoD April 1991 list)

Dahill, Douglas E. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Dale, Charles A. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Danielson, Benjamin F. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Davies, Joseph E. USAF believed to be alive according
to prison communication
information obtained by POW
returnee Mulligan (M131 debrief)

Davidson, David A. USA Laos, captured alive by enemy
forces according to NSA/DIA
intercept correlation.

Davis, Edgar F. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Debruin, Eugene H. Laos, pilot of a C-46. Shown
alive in photo.

Delong, Joe L. USA listed as POW by DIA (Cat.3) (31
January 1992 Deposition)

Demmon, David S. USA -hostile capture (DoD June 1973
list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973.
-last known alive (DoD April
1991 list.

Dexter, Bennie L. USAF POW, capture witnessed, DIA 1979
rpt.
-hostile captured, (DoD June
1973 list)
-last know alive (DoD April 1991
list)
-hearsay information obtained by
POW returnee Donald Rander (R047)

Dickson, Edward A. USN ejected from aircraft DIA
analytical comment, 1979

Dinan, David T. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Dingwall, John F. USMC -possible POW according to SVN
Pol., Search negative. DIA
report, 1979.
-last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)

Dodge, Edward R. USA last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)

Donahue, Morgan USAF one parachute observed from
mid-air collision, Donahue
subject of subsequent
live-sighting reports (CIA/DIA).

Dooley, James E. USN identified as POW by Thai
returnees, 1973. POW returnee
Daugherty heard that his name
had been seen on wall.
(Daugherty debrief)

Duckett, Thomas A. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Dunlop, Thomas E. USN believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Dunn, Michael E. USN believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and wa
alive on the ground. Last know
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Edwards, Harry S. USN possibly a POW according to
hearsay information in the
prison system. (Flom, Mahoney
debriefs)

Egan, James T. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Eidsmoe, Norman E. USN -POW according to second hand
info.,possible Son Tay (Naughton
debrief.)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 lsit)

Elliot, Robert M. USAF captured, POW according to
several "reliable" intelligence
reports (NSA/DIA analytical
comment)

Ellis, Willaim USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Ellison, John C. USN -positively identified as a POW
in picture shown to POW returnee
Robert Flynn by Chinese cadre
while in captivity. Ellison
appeared in good condition in
picture, which showed a group of
10-12 guarded American POWs
being marched through a crowd of
people. Ellison was in the front
row.
-Ellison's name was carved in
tree in Dogpatch prison camp
near Chinese border according to
two unidentified returnee that
contacted Ellison's family.

Entrican, Danny D. USA -last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)
-radio interception indicated
Entrican had been captured and
was to be moved north to Hanoi
according to POW returnee (see
returnee debrief Jon Cavaiani
C139)

Estocin, Michael J. USN -possible POW according to
second hand information from
Rivers, Mayhew, and Smith
debriefs.
-hostile captured (DoD June 1973
list)
-listed by POW by DIA, 1973
-last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)

Fallon, Patrick M. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Finley, Dickie W. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Fischer, Richard W. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Fitzgerald, Joseph E. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Fitzgerald, Paul L. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Fors, Gary H. USMC Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Foulks, Ralph E. USN possible POW according to POW
returnee Ballard debrief and DIA
possible correlation in 1973.

Fowler, Donald R. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Francisco, San D. USAF -voice contact on ground, DIA
rpt. 1979
-POW according to NSA report,
11/27/68
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)

Fryer, Bruce C. USN Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Gage, Robert H. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Galbraith, Russell D. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Gallant, Henry J. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Garcia, Ricardo M. USA Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Gassman, Fred A. USA Laos, captured alive by enemy
forces according to NSA/DIA
intercept correlation.

Gates, James W. USA -Laos, radio contact on ground.
(DIA rpt.)
-out of aircraft before crash
(JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Gerstel, Donald A. USN known captured according to NSA
intercept correlation.

Glasson, William A. USN Down and captured in China
according to Peking bulletin and
Peking Radio. Information
obtained by POW returnee Phillip
Smith.

Gould, Frank A. USAF -Laos, alive and waaiting rescue
according to Giroux, Peter J.
returnee debrief G104.
-SAR team reported seeing mirror
flashes from area where rest of
crew was picked up, but
nightfall prevented further
rescue attempts (JCRC).
-parachuted onto hill, awaiting
rescue, voice contact and beeper
heard. Ground search following
day found helmet and parachute,
but no sign of Gould.
-Gould is the subject of
live-sighting reports from Laos
in the 1990's. (DIA Stoney Beach
reports.)

Grace, James W. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
Attempted rescue unsuccessful.
family member post-capture
identification in Communist
propaganda filmmm. (PL guard)

Graf, John G. USN -Believed to be alive as POW in
Vietcong controlled area in 1973
according to POW returnee Robert
White.
-hostile captured (DoD June 1973
list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973.

Green, Frank C. USN known captured according to NSA
intercept correlation.

Greenleaf, Joseph G. USN -believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)
-one parachute seen according to
"generally reliable sources:
(DIA analytical comment)

Greenwood, Robert R. USAF -Laos, POW at "Zoo" prison in
Vietnam according to second hand
info -- see Brunhaver B102
debrief.
-out of aircraft before crash.
JTF-FA Survive Code 1

Greiling, David S. USN -POW according to second hand
info. Name heard in system
(Anderson debrief)
-hostile captured (DoD June 1973
list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973.

Groth, Wade L. USA last know alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Gunn, Alan W. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Hamilton, John S. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Hamilton, Roger D. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Hamm, James E. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Hargrove, Olin USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Harris, Jeffrey L. USAF possibly captured according to
NSA intercept correlation.

Harris, Reuben B. USN Crew down and captured in China
according to Peking bulletin and
Peking radio. Information
obtained by POW returnee Phillip
Smith.

Harrison, Donald L. USA POW according to POW Returnee
Wesly Rumble -- based on second
hand list.

Hasenback, Paul A. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Hastings, Steven M. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Held, John W. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Helwig, Roger D. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Hentz, Richard J. USA possibly captured alive
according to NSA intercept
correlation (intercept -- three
out of five from JU21A incident
alive and captured.)

Herold, Richard W. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Hesford, Peter D. USAF Laos, believed to have
successfully got out of his
aircraft and was alive on the
ground. Last known alive. (DoD
April 1991 list)

Hess, Frederick W. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA survive Code 1)

Hestle, Roosevelt USAF Seen alive at Heartbreak prison,
possibly tortured and carried on
stretcher. (Bolstad debrief,
B091) believed to have
successfully got out of his
aircraft and was alive on the
ground. Last known alive. (DoD
April 1991 list)

Hicks, Terrin D. USAF Believed to have been captured
alive and taken to Dong Hoi for
medical treatment of a broken
leg, according to information
from POW returnee debriefs.
(Uyeyama and Shanahan, U004 and
S021)

Hodgson, Cecil J. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Holland, Melvin A. USAF Laos, possibly captured, based
on report the following day by
Tahi survivor of Lima Site 85
incident, and comments by former
PL General Singkapo in 1991,
whose subsequent recanting
remains suspect. (Both sources
stated three Americans were
captured by NVN troops during
the incident.)

Holley, Tilden S. USAF POW according to hearsay
information obtained by
returning POWs Ellis, Fiscer and
Heiliger -- see debriefs E028,
F045 and H085.) Ellis reported
full name. Possibly held in
CuLoc and the Zoo prisons.

Holmes, David H. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 2)
Search and Rescue unable to
locate pilot (DIA 1979 report)

Holmes, Frederick L. USN -POW believed to have been held
at CuLoc and Zoo prisons. (Kiern
debrief, K046)
-known to have ejected from
aircraft. (Source: DIA
analytical comment)

Hrdlicka, David L. USAF POW in Laos, voice recording and
P.L./Pravda photograph including
his name.
-letter signed by Hrdlicka while
in captivity appeared in NVN/PL
magazine.

Huberth, Eric J. USAF Cambodia, possibly captured
according to NSA intercept
correlation. (F4D two seater -
one known captured.)

Hunt, Robert W. USA -Possibly captured according to
DIA 1979 analytical comments.
-last known alive in proximity
to enemy forces (DoD April 1991
list)

Hunter, Russell P. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Huston, Charles G. USA Laos, known to be alive on the
ground during helicopter
exfiltration. When the rope
ladder broke and hostile forces
approached, the helicopter
departed leaving Brown and
Huston, alive and unwounded.
Search team inserted four days
later. No sign of Brown or
Huston. (JCRC report)

Ibanez, Di R. USMC last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Jackson, Paul V. USAF Laos, known captured according
to NSA intercept correlation.
(L19, 01D)

Jakovac, John A. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Jeffs, Clive G. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive (DoD April 1991 list)

Jewell, Eugene M. USAF hearsay information on possible
survival of Jewell obtained by
POW returnee Edward Brudno.
(Other possibly related hearsay
information obtained by POW
returnees Risner, Rivers and
Rutledge on name "Jual" heard on
Voice of Vietnam or camp radio.
Closest correlation is Jewell,
Eugene M. USAF)

Johns, Vernon A. USA -hostile captured (DoD June 1973
list)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-last seen alivce (DIA 1979
report)

Johnson, Bruce G. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Johnson, William D. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Johnston, Steven B. USAF Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)

Jones, Bobby M. USAF -POW seen alive in camp in
November, 1972. (Metzger debrief
M133). Hearsay information of
Bobby "M." Jones obtained by
returnee Mulligan. A "B. Jones"
was also seen alive in prison by
returnee Orson G. Swindle.
Finally, POW returnee Richard
Vogel also had hearsay
information of a POW named Bob
Jones.
-two beeper signals believed to
have been heard following Bobby
Jone's incident. (DIA analytical
comment)

Jordan, Larry M. USN Crew down and captured in China
according to Peking bulletin and
Peking radio. Information
obtained by POW returnee Phillip
Smith.

Kennedy, John W. USAF known captured according to NSA
intercept correlation.

Ketchie, Scott D. USMC -Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 2)
-known captured according to NSA
intercept correlation.

Kiefel, Ernest P. USAF -Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1

Kier, Larry G. USA possible POW held in isolation
(S098 debrief - USAF correlation)

Knutson, Richard A. USA -POW shot down in January, 1973.
-Contact and discussion with POW
returnee LeBlanc.

Koons, Dale F. USAF POW in good physical condition
held in the Plantation prison
according to first-hand and
heresay reports by returning
POWs. (Doss D057, Smith S107,
Schwertfeger S182)

Kosko, Walter USAF -military ID card seen in prison
(Berg debrief B083) Known to
have ejected from aircraft.

Kryszak, Theodore E. USAF Laos, no trace of crew, wreckage
sited.

Kubley, Roy R. USAF Laos, survival possible
according to DIA 1979 analytical
comments.

LaFayette, John W. USA -Laos, radio contact on ground.
(DIA 1979 report)
-out of aircraft before crash.
(JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive (DoD April 1991 list)

Lane, Charles USAF Two good chutes seen. One of two
crewmembers (unidentified) was
known to have been alive on the
ground according to Carrigan
debrief C078.

Lawrence, Bruce E. USAF Name heard in prison system
communicated according to POW
returnee Mulligan M131.

Lee, Leonard M. USN believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive (DoD April 1991 list) Dead
(DIA 1979 analytical comment)

Leeser, Leonard C. USAF beeper heard for short period.

Lemon, Jeffrey C. USAF Laos, possibly captured alive,
according to NSA intercept
correlation. (F4D Two-seater,
one captured, one found dead.)

Lerner, Irwin S. USAF survived incident, down okay
according to crewmember debrief
Klomann (K082)

Lester, Roderick B. USN orders given by enemy to capture
the two pilots from this
aircraft according to NSA
intercept correlation.

Lewandowski, Leonard J. USMC name heard on radio and photo
seen in magazine according to
hearsay information from POW
returnee Leo Hyatt.

Lewis, James W. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive (DoD April 1991 list)

Long, John H. USAF POW held in Hanoi in good
physical condition according to
first-hand observation by POW
returnee Brande. Brande reported
Long's full name. Seen in
Citadel, Holiday Inn, Vegas
prisons.

Lull, Howard B. USA POW, seen alive and evading, and
subsequently captured and
according to POW Returnee Mark
Smith and Albert Carlson
debriefs.

Luna, Crater P. USAF -Laos, voice contact on the
ground.(JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-likelihood he was captured (DIA
1992 analytical comment)

Lundy, ALbro L. USAF -Laos, our of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-alleged post-capture photo
positively identified by family
members.

Malone, Jimmy M. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Mamiya, John M. USAF identified by Thai returnees,
1973.

Mangino, Thomas A. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Marik, Charles W. USN good chute. (DIA report 1979)

Marker, Michael W. USA possibley captured alive
according to NSA intercept
correlation (intercept -- three
out of five from JU21A incident
alive and captured.)

Martin, Russell D. USAF LAos, no trace of crew, wreckage
found.

Massucci, Martin J. USAF possible last known alive (one
of two crew members were known
to have been last known alive -
see Scharf, Charles J.) DoD
April 1991 list.

Matejov, Joseph A. USAF Laos, EC47Q, Baron 52, believed
to have been captured according
to analysts in 1973 based on NSA
intelligence reports.

Mauterer, Oscar USAF -Laos, ejected and possibly
captured. DIA analytical
comments, 1979 rpt.)
-out of aircraft before crash.
(JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

McCarty, James L. USAF good chute observed by SAR. (See
Jackson J044, Marshall M168,
Hanton and McDowell debriefs) -
F4D 6/24/72

McCleary, George C. USAF POW later positively identified
in 1969 in Xmas photo. (POW
returnee Charles C141 and McNish
M126 debriefs)

McCrary, Jack USAF radio contact (DIA 1979 report)

McDonald, Joseph W. USMC -identified as POW held at Ha Lo
prison in good physical
condition according to first
hand contact by POW returnee
Payford R049 debrief).
-"possibly captured" according
to DIA comments 1979.

McDonald, Kurt C. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

McDonnell, John T. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

McElvain, James R. USAF Name possibly heard on radio
broadcast. (Shumaker debrief
S097)

McGar, Brian K. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

McIntire, Scott W. USAF -Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 1)
-possible POW according to NSA
correlation. Possible
conflicting SAR information.

McLean, James H. USA -POW, capture confirmed by Viet.
POWs, according to 1979 DIA
report.
-hostile captured, DoD June 1973
list
-listed as POW by DIA, 1973
-last known alive, DoD April
1991 list.

McPherson, Everett A. USMC Name believed to have been
passed on prisoner list in Cu
Loc prison according to POW
returnee Norris Charles debrief.

Mellor, Fredric M. USAF voice contact, uninjured.

Melton, Todd M. USAF Laos, EC47Q, Baron 52, believed
to have been captured according
to analysts in 1973 based on NSA
intelligence reports.

Milius, Paul L. USN -Laos, out of aircraft before
crash. (JTF-FA Survive Code 2)

Millner, Michael USA last known alive (DoD April
1991 list)

Mims, George I USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft before
crash and was alive on the
ground. Last known alive. (DoD
April 1991 list)

Mitchell, Harry E. USN possibly seen (1979 DIA report)

Miyazaki, Ronald K. USAF survival possible from crash,
but no sign (according to
analytical comments by DIA,
1979).

Moreland, James L. USA last seen alive and unwounded on
the ground according to POW
returnee Thompson debrief.

Morgan, James S. USAF believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Morris, George W. USAF -Good chute, possible voice
contact. (Kientzler debrief, DIA
1979 report)
-believed to have successfully
got out of his aircraft and was
alive on the ground. Last known
alive. (DoD April 1991 list)

Morrisey, Robert D. USAF Laos/NVN, Captured alive
according to same day
intelligence report indicating
capture of pilots (s) of a low
flying aircraft in same location
and giving orders to "conceal
the accomplishment." (No other
shootdowns correlate to this
report.) Intelligence report one
week later requested special
Vietnamese team to transport the
hulf od an F-111. NSA analyst
recalls Brown on list of POWs
moved to Sam Neua for movement
to USSR. NVN defector states
intact portion (possibly the
ejection capsule) of F-111 sent
to China same month as
Morrisey/Brown shootdown, NVN
photographers not allowed to
keep photos of the F-111.

Morrow, Larry K. USA last known alive (DoD April 1991
list)

Mossman, Harry S. USN orders given by enemy to capture
both pilots from this incident

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So, i guess kerry found the answer to that question of "How do you ask a man to be the last one to die in a war?"

It would be, "Sorry, Bud. There's money to be made."

Leavenworth is too good...
_________________
said Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "It is inexcusable to mock service and sacrifice."
well, when even the DNC can see it,,,,, then kerry is toast.