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Nomorelies Vice Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 977 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: Lie Detector Ad #4 |
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Let's group all of the Swiftees contributing to "Unfit to Command" around a lie-detector machine (stapped onto one of our guys) challenging John "Bring-it-on" Kerry to do the same. It would be powerful and pull a ton of airtime on the networks. Imagine the visual effect, the drama. The public will go wild!!!! A real "red-meat" dinner in my books. _________________ Nomorelies Make a donation HERE |
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ccr Commander
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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And the response would be....
Lie detectors on anti-SBVT witnesses.
Put aside the fact that a polygraph is only slightly more accurate in discerning deception than flipping a coin, this is a search for the truth (which a polygraph does not provide). Chances are great that other than JK, none or very few of the witnesses are engaged in any deception. _________________ Whose side is John Kerry really on? Take this quiz and decide for yourself.
http://www.learnthat.com/quiz/
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JK PO3
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 259
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject: Lie Detector Ad #4 |
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Let's rally in the public to demand that John Kerry take a lie detector test!!! The burden should be on his shoulders not on the swift boat veterans for truth. Can anyone get the media to pick up on this message??? We always hear and read about people volunteering to take the test to show their innocence and this could be an expedient way for Kerry to close the issue. But let's be realistic a liar like Kerry would never ever take such a test UNLESS he was assured that he could rig the results in his favor. However, the demand for him taking the lie detector test should continue..
JK |
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Robert Cooper Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 134 Location: Tulsa, OK
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Maury Povich would be proud of us! _________________ Know the difference between Politics and Mesmeratics - one embraces, propagates and promotes the truth, while the other manipulates it! |
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learjet Seaman Recruit
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Juneau, Alaska
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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This would never work because Senator could answer truthfully about being on both sides of every issue!! _________________ Earl J Lear II
USN/ VA-94/ VFA-94 1988-1992
USS Enterprise/ USS Abraham Lincoln
Desert Storm Vet |
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Nomorelies Vice Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 977 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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learjet wrote: | This would never work because Senator could answer truthfully about being on both sides of every issue!! |
Oops. You are definitely right. It's easier for Kerry to lie than tell the truth. _________________ Nomorelies Make a donation HERE |
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ccr Commander
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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A few quotes from http://antipolygraph.org/
Quote: | "...the theory and methods of polygraphic lie detection are not rocket science, indeed, they are not science at all."
Professor Emeritus
David T. Lykken
"The so-called 'control' question 'test' polygraph is a technological flight of fancy. It is often used as a psychological rubber hose to induce confessions. Founded on lies, it spreads distrust while posing as the path to truth."
Professor John J. Furedy
"[Polygraph screening] is completely without any theoretical foundation and has absolutely no validity...the diagnostic value of this type of testing is no more than that of astrology or tea-leaf reading."
former Supervisory
Special Agent
Dr. Drew C. Richardson,
FBI Laboratory Division
"Polygraph testing has been the gold standard, but it's obviously fool's gold."
Prof. Stephen E. Fienberg
Chairman, Committee to Review the Scientific Evidence on the Polygraph,
National Academy of Sciences
"If we had medical tests that had the same failure rate as a polygraph, then physicians that use those tests would be convicted of malpractice."
Dr. Alan P. Zelicoff, M.D.
"Polygraph is more art than science, and unless an admission is obtained, the final determination is frequently what we refer to as a scientific wild-ass guess (SWAG)"
retired
CIA polygrapher
John F. Sullivan
"If you choose to implement this astrology surrogate, and to treat us with such deep disrespect, do not confuse our contempt for arrogance."
physicist
David Dearborn
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
"People in the security community are so wedded to polygraph testing that they are just going to ignore the scientific facts about this."
scientist
Jeffrey D. Colvin
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
"Whether it is screening applicants or screening employees, the polygraph is a failure. I suspect that its days as a screening tool are deservedly near an end."
former FBI Special Agent
Mark Mallah
"The US is, so far as I know, the only nation which places such extensive reliance on the polygraph....It has gotten us into a lot of trouble."
convicted spy
Aldrich H. Ames
"[The CIA's] reliance on the polygraph is truly insane"
former CIA Director
John M. Deutch
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_________________ Whose side is John Kerry really on? Take this quiz and decide for yourself.
http://www.learnthat.com/quiz/
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buffman LCDR
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 437
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:39 pm Post subject: doesn't matter |
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It doesn't matter if it is not an exact method, if the Swifties were to ace this test the public would definately be swayed. _________________ Never Ever Give Up
America First |
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producehawk PO1
Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 463
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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The sad athing is kerry might think he is telling the truth, therefore he might pass a lie detector/ his mind id f--ed up |
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bob g Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 6 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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This is perfect ! Instead of Debates this year , Kerry and Swiftees hooked up to lie detectors
(Let's keep the rhetoric below the flash point, please? EJ) |
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Jazzoi Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 23
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Lie detector tests only work on people who actually have a conscience. Traitors don't usually have one of those. |
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rainvet Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 30
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Well I would show and tell how he want to be equal parter of the UN and the EU because he is one of them. Just like the Vietnam War ;I was against it in college,the he was going to be drafted so he join so he could choice what service he wanted to be in ,so then he was for the War, then he said that he asked to go to Vietnam and after 4 months I heard that he was ask to leave Vietnam baes on his Action og not being a good Soldier.But again he then was agaist the war and noe 30 yrs Plus he is for the war. Which one is he. I know and that why John Kerry and his band of Dem. Left winger should never lead our Country,the USA. Kerry has said many times that the USA so not go at its alone,now what does that tell you about his belief and the Left wing Dem. party. GOD BLess America.
GOD bless the Swiftboat Vets for telling the Truth. One Nation Under GOD.
US Army Vietnam WAR Vet. 68/69. I was there too. GOD Heal our land. |
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mrhct Former Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: doesn't matter |
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buffman wrote: | It doesn't matter if it is not an exact method, if the Swifties were to ace this test the public would definately be swayed. |
And if they didn't ace it could that set them up for a suit? I do find it a bit troubling that O'neill, Thurlow and Odell haven't already done so. |
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Nomorelies Vice Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 977 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: doesn't matter |
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mrhct wrote: | buffman wrote: | It doesn't matter if it is not an exact method, if the Swifties were to ace this test the public would definately be swayed. |
And if they didn't ace it could that set them up for a suit? I do find it a bit troubling that O'neill, Thurlow and Odell haven't already done so. |
Be not troubled. Swiftvets are infinitely more believable than Kerry. Body language is very revealing. When you look into O'Neill's eyes as he speaks there is harmony. Look into Kerry's eyes when he speaks and tell me you don't get an adverse "gut level reaction" to his words. I.e. We all have instincts and any decent person senses and feels a liar. _________________ Nomorelies Make a donation HERE |
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ccr Commander
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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The biggest shocker is not that SBVT have not done a polygraph. The biggest shocker is that the Kerry team has not.
Why?
You can get the box to say whatever you want it to say -- especially when you are paying the examiner. Even if you aren't, you can train someone to beat the box in just a few hours.
The box also frequently calls people who are telling the absolute truth "deceptive" -- when they are not.
The value of a polygraph is nothing but theater. We've got the facts on our side. Why should we have to stoop to that -- especially when the other side can counter with even better theater. _________________ Whose side is John Kerry really on? Take this quiz and decide for yourself.
http://www.learnthat.com/quiz/
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