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[Drew]

I'm new to this forum, and would like to apologize if this is a repeat topic (after a cursory examination, I do not believe it is).

I would like to know how SBVFT answers the attacks made on one of their first advertisements by John Stewart. The transcript of the attacks follows:

TRANSCRIPT: DAILY SHOW "SWIFT BOAT VETS FOR TRUTH" SEGMENT, 8/9/04



Admin note - snipped excerpts - The Daily Show??? Good grief!

Quota for Kerry Talking Points Exceeded

[Mark]

Speaking just for me, and from the perspective of 30 years of service including Vietnam I find nothing dubious about President Bush's military record (always have respected fighter pilots, regardless of where they flew).
Of course my view may not synch with various comedians and those whose service is limited to video games.
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[Drew]

[Hueygunner]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Oh for heaven's sake - I asked for a complete copy of my records from the records center and finally got them back months later - there was NOTHING in there - not more than twenty pages! Missing medical records, missing drill records, missing letter of commendation, missing evals, missing nearly everything!

And that was from 20 years ago, not 35!

He missed some drills and he made them up - BFD. So did I.
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[ccr]

Those who appeared in the first ad, did not -- as Stewart claimed -- just serve with Kerry in Vietnam. They were fellow Swift Boat sailors who served in his same division. Some bunked with Kerry. They went on the same missions together and were able to observe Kerry very closely. Kerry reported to others in the ad.

Kerry's fellow officers were in a better position to judge the character of the man and his quality as a sailor than those who served under him.

In the third ad, the sailor who sailed under Kerry the longest appears.

Kerry's wound was memorable to Dr. Letson not because it was "mild", but because Kerry sought a Purple Heart for such a minor wound.

In addition, the third SBVT ad deals with Kerry's repeated statements regarding his time in Cambodia.

There is no evidence disputing the charge that Kerry was NEVER five miles inside of Cambodia. There is no evidence suppoting Kerry's claim that he ran guns into Cambodia or was ever on any mission that took him into Cambodia. All available evidence indicates this is an absolute lie on Kerry's part.

A lie he made on the floor of the US Senate.

All of this not withstanding, to me personally, those is not the real issues.

The real issue that makes Kerry unfit for command, is his activity upon his return.

John Kerry's sworn statements before a US Senate Committee are what this is all about. His words are not in dispute. That his actions were used against AMERICAN POWs is not in dispute.
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[Drew]

[Bostonian]

Well Drew, Senator Kerry has not signed Standard Form 180, which would authorize release of this paperwork.

[Drew]

[Mark]

Drew:
Nobody is asking Kerry to release "missing records". Rather there is emphasis on his signing Form 180 so the public has access to known existing records, estimated at 90+ pages by the Navy.
Moreover, I am unaware of any missing Bush records.
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[OsanFAC]

Drew,
Personally I'm more dubious of Mr. Kerry who "volunteered for combat" and then BUGGED OUT on his comrades 8 months early (the only one to do so). Then Mr. kerry comes home and stabs them in the back by accusing them of being War Criminals.

As had been said on this forum:

Anyone who saw the HBO series "Band of Brothers" knows that they believed that they were not heros but they served in the company of heroes.

John Kerry concept of a "Band of Brothers" is that he was a hero who served in the company of war criminals!

Reminder: this Forum is not about Mr. Bush, its about Mr. Kerry being unfit for Command! Perhaps you may want to look at the survival statistics for flying single engine century series fighter aircraft in peacetime! It was not a healthy profession!
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. -Edmund Burke

[zinfella]

What's dubious is not where he served, but the fact that records are missing concerning his service, and doubts remain if he even served for the duration of his term.[/quote]

What's dubious is you. You have totally ignored the fact that the swift boat vets story has remained constant, something that one cannot say for John F-ing Kerry's rendition of things. If you cannot unbderstand what is going on here, then you are too ignorant to be here, and I see no reason to waste my time beyond exposing your rediculous questions as being too partisan to be coming from anyone with an open mind. You disregard the fact that Kerry has a handful of people that support him, and 254 that offer another view. Why are you so willing to accept the word of a proven liar to that of 254 honorable, decorated veterans? Kerry's words are a matter of record. Anything Kerry says is OK, but rebuttal is not allowed, and should be viewed as suspect. Well I suspect you and your agenda.
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[Drew]

Perhaps I lack a total understanding of the situation with this particular form. Is it a requirement for all military personnel to sign this form and have their records made public, and in what way has John Kerry deviated from the standard procedure?