| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
cipher
Vice Admiral
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 902
|
 Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:52 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quote: | | The Chicago Sun-Times has run a story on the bogus 'V' and pointed out that Al Boorda, a former SecNav, actually committed suicide when it was pointed out his Bronze Star had a 'V' on it and it was exposed as bogus. At the time, Kerry condemned Boorda for embellishing his medals record. |
Either you or the Chicago Sun-Time made an error. Admiral Boorda did NOT have a BSM, either with or without a Combat V. He DID have the Navy Achievement Medal and a Navy Commendation Medal, both with Combat V devices, which were the medals brought into issue.
"Admiral Mike Boorda's citations for awards of the Navy Achievement Medal and Navy Commendation Medal plainly state they were awarded for service including 'combat operations' and 'while operating in combat missions,' "(Secretary of the Navy) Dalton's memo said. "Further, Admiral E.R. Zumwalt, Jr. USN (Retired), who served both as commander, US Naval Forces, Vietnam, and Chief of Naval Operations, has said that Admiral Boorda was entitled to wear the combat distinguishing device. I am making this information a matter of official Navy record."
Further, Admiral Boora was never the Secretary of the Navy. He was CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) from April 1993 to his death in 1996.
(you can read Admiral Boorda's record at the Arlington National Cemetery website here: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/borda.htm
If you are going to write to the media and present an argument, you should fact-check your letter BEFORE you send it. Otherwise, it's going to end up in the circular file.
_________________
USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
docford
Lt.Jg.
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 149
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
A photo of Mike Boorda's ribbons can be found at http://www.cnn.com/US/9705/16/hackworth/
This is the story about Hackworth being embarrased about his incorrect devices after accusing Adm. Boorda of wearing bronze "V" devices that he was not entitled to. The Navy later said that he was entitled to wear them
Doc Ford[/quote] |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
larrygj
Seaman
Joined: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 166
Location: Newcastle, Washington
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Doc Ford,
Way to go. Let us know how that turns out.
Larry |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dimsdale
Captain
Joined: 20 May 2004
Posts: 527
Location: Massachusetts: the belly of the beast
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
That remark by Lehman is going to leave a mark!!
There seems to be a pattern of deception forming here! LOL! As far as I can tell, the only thing I can believe about Kerry's record is that he was actually in, or somewhere near, Vietnam in the late sixties.
Anymore testimony like this, and the MSM may actually take an interest in the matter!
How much longer can Kerry sit on his records??????
_________________
Everytime he had a choice, Kerry chose to side with communists rather than the United States. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
drjohn
Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Posts: 550
Location: CT
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
I wrote to John Barry of Newsweek about this and he responded to me, asserting that I was wrong about claiming that there were three versions of the Silver Star citation. I referenced him to Kerry's website with the links to the three citations. The second two speak of attacking a force with "numerical superiority" while the first does not.
He said that Lehman claimed to have merely suppplied a copy of the first. I quoted the Druge website which claimed that Lehman had no knowledge of the changes in the citation.
Barry has not yet replied.
Will keep you posted. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Misty
Lieutenant
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 223
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
Does anyone know why so many of the citations listed by Kerry are not dated?
For instance, the Presidential Unit Citation signed by Richard Nixon "on this date" is not dated.
The Citations signed by Lehman are not dated.
Is this normal?????
_________________
Misty
----------
Dad was in the Navy Pacific Fleet
Brother was on the USS Regulus - Vietnam
Husband was AirForce 3rd (34th) Tactical Fighter Wing - Security Police Bien Hoa Vietnam |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wing Wiper
Rear Admiral
Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Posts: 664
Location: Oregon
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
A Presidential Unit Citation was presented to every man in the unit, that should be easy to cross-reference. No idea why it's not dated. Easy to disprove, if it's false, though, as Kerry didn't serve in many different units.
Things like a longevity ribbon or a good conduct ribbon would be awarded after 4 years of service. I would expect them to be dated. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Misty
Lieutenant
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 223
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Wing Wiper wrote: | A Presidential Unit Citation was presented to every man in the unit, that should be easy to cross-reference. No idea why it's not dated. Easy to disprove, if it's false, though, as Kerry didn't serve in many different units.
Things like a longevity ribbon or a good conduct ribbon would be awarded after 4 years of service. I would expect them to be dated. |
Thank you. It just seems odd that the citation was apparently issued without a date on it and for service during the months Kerry was in Vietnam. Hmmm. I guess the fact that he was there made the unit outstanding. LOL!
_________________
Misty
----------
Dad was in the Navy Pacific Fleet
Brother was on the USS Regulus - Vietnam
Husband was AirForce 3rd (34th) Tactical Fighter Wing - Security Police Bien Hoa Vietnam |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
wshhml
Ensign
Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 52
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: Kerry's questionable service |
|
|
| Kerry embellishes his record. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
docford
Lt.Jg.
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 149
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
For everyone's general information regarding unit awards - please refer to http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/o1650.htm
This is the online version of OPNAV 1650 - the list of all unit awards from before the Vietnam War to Present. You can find the Coastal Division Awards - including the Presidential Unit Citations awarded, in Enclosure 4. The individual ship (PCF) unit awards are in Enclosure 3.
The list is alphabetical by unit name (ex. PCF 11 or COSDIV 13, the abbreviation for the award (PU or RG) and the dates covered by the award. Anyone stationed with the unit during the listed dates are eligible for the listed award.
Unit awards from a foreign govt are not listed.
The dates of issuance or approval are not listed.
The awards and abbreviations master list is in Enclosure 1.
Doc Ford
HMC (SW) USN |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
J. Toy
Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 96
Location: Pa.
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
Lehman's signature is also on a Bronze star citation that I printed 8/19
from Kerry's web site. Another one there signed by Adm. Zumwalt.
Slightly different wording but both mentioning a second mine explosion, which knocked a man (Rassman?) off the boat.
They both state that Kerry's right arm was bleeding from the 2nd mine explosion.
I haven't checked his site to see if the citations are there.
Just offering this up because of the coverage on the Silver star citation and none on the Bronze
_________________
Corpsman, 1969-1973 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jfnk
Ensign
Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Posts: 54
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
You know Kerry didn't tell his staff of all his lies regarding Vietnam and medals. Every time the phone rings at Camp Kerry, the staff must be thinking, "What will I have to cover for this time?"
After this is over, not only will Kerry be ruined politically, he will be ruined personally. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Badgerfan
Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 22
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
| It looks as if the multiple citations have been removed from the website. I only see 2 Silver Star Citations. Wasn't there 3? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ProudMilitaryWifeDaughter
Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 21 Aug 2004
Posts: 78
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | his “gallantry” for back-shooting an enemy soldier, for which he was awarded the Nation’s third-highest decoration, the Silver Star.
|
I read the whole article twice and have to say wow which the MSM would take the time to do something like this.
_________________
Proud Daughter of a Bronze Star Awarded Father-Iraqi Freedom
Proud Wife of a Marine Vietnam Vet
Proud Patriot and Citizen of the USA
Service Animals for Invisible Disabilities |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
