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integritycounts Rear Admiral
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: Thomas Lipscomb is the Leading reporter. Help him w/ Facts |
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Thomas Lipscomb is the Leading reporter of the MSM on key parts of the Kerry story. Help him with Facts relating to the topics he is working on.
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Plot thickens after checking records
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB
In the midst of the controversy between the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and Kerry campaign representatives about Kerry's service in Vietnam, new questions have arisen.
The Kerry campaign has repeatedly stated that the official naval records prove the truth of Kerry's assertions about his service.
But the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."
But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."
Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either.
Fake claims not uncommon
B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.
Burkett recently filed a complaint that led last month to the sentencing of Navy Capt. Roger D. Edwards to 115 days in the brig for falsification of his records.
Kerry's Web site also lists two different citations for the Silver Star. One was issued by the commander in chief of the Pacific Command (CINCPAC), Adm. John Hyland. The other, issued by Secretary of the Navy John Lehman during the Reagan administration, contained some revisions and additional language. "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself... ."
One award, three citations
But a third citation exists that appears to be the earliest. And it is not on the Kerry campaign Web site. It was issued by Vice Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, commander of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam. This citation lacks the language in the Hyland citation or that added by the Lehman version, but includes another 170 words in a detailed description of Kerry's attack on a Viet Cong ambush, his killing of an enemy soldier carrying a loaded rocket launcher, as well as military equipment captured and a body count of dead enemy.
Maj. Anthony Milavic, a retired Marine Vietnam veteran, calls the issuance of three citations for the same medal "bizarre." Milavic hosts Milinet, an Internet forum popular with the military community that is intended "to provide a forum in military/political affairs."
Normally in the case of a lost citation, Milavec points out, the awardee simply asked for a copy to be sent to him from his service personnel records office where it remains on file. "I have never heard of multi-citations from three different people for the same medal award," he said. Nor has Burkett: "It is even stranger to have three different descriptions of the awardee's conduct in the citations for the same award."
So far, there are also two varying citations for Kerry's Bronze Star, one by Zumwalt and the other by Lehman as secretary of the Navy, both posted on johnkerry.com.
Kerry's Web site also carries a DD215 form revising his DD214, issued March 12, 2001, which adds four bronze campaign stars to his Vietnam service medal. The campaign stars are issued for participation in any of the 17 Department of Defense named campaigns that extended from 1962 to the cease-fire in 1973.
However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."
94 pages of records unreleased?
Reporting by the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs points out that although the Kerry campaign insists that it has released Kerry's full military records, the Post was only able to get six pages of records under its Freedom of Information Act request out of the "at least a hundred pages" a Naval Personnel Office spokesman called the "full file."
What could that more than 100 pages contain? Questions have been raised about President Bush's drill attendance in the reserves, but Bush received his honorable discharge on schedule. Kerry, who should have been discharged from the Navy about the same time -- July 1, 1972 -- wasn't given the discharge he has on his campaign Web site until July 13, 1978. What delayed the discharge for six years? This raises serious questions about Kerry's performance while in the reserves that are far more potentially damaging than those raised against Bush.
Experts point out that even the official military records get screwed up. Milavic is trying to get mistakes in his own DD214 file corrected. In his opinion, "these entries are not prima facie evidence of lying or unethical behavior on the part of Kerry or anyone else with screwed-up DD214s."
Burkett, who has spent years working with the FBI, Department of Justice and all of the military services uncovering fraudulent files in the official records, is less charitable: "The multiple citations and variations in the official record are reason for suspicion in itself, even disregarding the current swift boat veterans' controversy."
Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York. |
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Me#1You#10 Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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When this journey is complete, journalists worthy of the name will emerge with their credibility not only intact, but enhanced. |
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rb325th Admiral
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Nice Article, and some good questions raised! When one starts digging and getting curious others will follow, if only to make sure they are not outdone. _________________ U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT |
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DenisC Seaman
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 166 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why not ask our Congressmen to pass a Bill that would make ALL Military records, on all Veterans available? I think it is time to let the Sunshine in. _________________ DenisC
173rd Airborne, RVN '65-67' |
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angrylady Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 30
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Lipsomb was great on Drudge last night. He's furious with the MSM for not reporting - also said he has more surprises to come.
He also got into the meeting that Kerry was present for at which the assasination of senators was discussed. |
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bergstrom79 Ensign
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 66
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I heard that also, a-lady. He replied to one anti-swiftvet caller that the Watergate investigation did not expose all the facts at once. It was a step by step process, and that he hasn't released all his information as of yet. He still has some fact- checking to do.
He could become the modern day Bernstein. The door is open for him, few reporters of major market print media outlets are being let loose on this thing. |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:14 am Post subject: |
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The 100 pages of documents in Kerry's military file are really the missing documents from President Bush's military records... Kerry is HIDING them in his own file folder! Well, no wonder we heard this past year that some of Bush's papers were MISSING!
and the 6 yrs from 1972 - when Kerry should have been discharged to 1978 when Kerry actually was discharged from the Navy???? WELL, that's easy! The Navy put Kerry in 'TIME OUT'' (probably for arrogance) and 'forgot' where they 'put' him (wink, wink). |
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