SwiftVets.com

[Jon]

I think any neutral observer would have to admit that your Swift Boat group is dead as a political force.

As I understand your political position, you are not questioning Kerry's actual military service which, as his military records show, was exemplary.

Rather, you are questioning his Congressional testimony regarding alleged war crimes in Vietnam. With the horrific photos from Abu Ghraib now being shown, Kerry's sensivity to the laws of war and the Geneva Convention will be an asset, not a liability, in this election.

The best thing VVFT could do now if they want to help Bush is to disappear.

Nice try, guys.

[War Dog]

Jon, they are not trying to be a "political" force. They are non-partisan on the issue of Republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives. They are doing what they feel they must do because of the way that they feel concerning what happened in Vietnam, and with John F. Kerry during and after Vietnam.

They are not arguing one way or another about who should be President of the United States, or siding with one party or the other. There are thousands upon thousands of Vietnam Veterans that feel exactly how these brave men believe. It takes guts and courage to get up and do what these guys are doing.

They know the heat and hate that is going to come their way because of what they have said, and they are willing to take it because how strongly they believe in what they say.

I say BZ to them for what they are doing. It really doesn't matter if they make a difference in the election or not. But the important thing is that they are willing to stand up for what they believe! That's more than a lot of people in our nation are willing to do. It's far easier for them to spread hate, and condemn those that they disagree with, than to try and understand why these men are doing what they are doing, and respecting them for doing what "they think" is right!

Those who understand, understand!
Those who do not understand, will never understand!


War Woof!
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[RoadKing]

Jon states: As I understand your political position, you are not questioning Kerry's actual military service which, as his military records show, was exemplary.


I believe you do not understand their position, which I don't find to be all that political, but it appears to me that they DO question the records or more to the point the LACK of all the records. The released records to date have all been vetted by the Kerry campaign. ALL of the records have NOT been released. That is why they are asking the good senator to sign the form to release all of the records to the public.


Jon also goes on to say that John Kerry's sensitivities the laws of war and the Geneva Convention will be an asset.

Oh, really ?? Where were John Kerry's sensitivities on these subject while he "participated" in some of the actions he decried as atrocities ?? Where were his sensitivities on these subjects while he supposedly saw other "atrocities" being committed. He was a Naval officer, and had a DUTY to report these "atrocities". He knew the laws of war then as well as he knows them now.

RK

[hist/student]

unabashed comprehensive retraction

[sparky]

Jon, you're right. For the most part, their press conference onward has been just one steady progression from a bang to a soft whimper. I think they didn't fully understand the extent to which the public respects Kerry's heroism both in Vietnam and at home.

In light of the tortures and murders in Iraq and the way this is going to further alienate us from the Arab world, those who speak out against war crimes and report them are serving their country better than any of the interrogators in Iraq or Tiger Force Vietnam vets.

[hist/student]

unabashed comprehensive retraction

[jwcoop]

Jon......it's painful to see that these guys are being hammered by the same nemesis that folks like you have tried to hang around their necks since the U.S. of A. went to war in VN - politics! We left VN because the poly-tish-uns took the war away from the warriors, yet wanted the warriors available whenever times got hard.

These guys - unlike your buddy Kerry - served honorably and came back to America proud of their service. Any "defeat" this country suffered was at the hands of poly-tish-uns and folks like John Kerry who used anti-American organizations to rally support of un-informed citizens against the war - and WORSE - AGAINST OUR WARRIORS!

And then comes the likes of you and those like you who accuse the Swiftwater Vets of playing politics. Most of 'em had their fill of politics, 'cause it was politics that brought the "Jon"s in life to look at 'em as losers, when in fact, they're among America's finest.

And I fail to see the connection of John Kerry's anti-war stance in the '70's with today's Abu Ghraib fiasco..........

On second thought, I DO see the connection, sir! You are trying to label the overwhelmingly honorable warrior class with the whale slime who got their jollies out of humiliating enemy soldiers, huh? Just as your buddy Kerry tried to label the same warrior class as war criminals.

You're a piece of work, Jon.

Folks like these Swiftboat vets fought honorably and have taken vile insults on their values and honor since that time. And you have the gall to attempt to hang the likes of Abu Ghraib on them, too! Something's real wrong in America when that kind of irreponsible behavior goes without punishment...........

Have a Great Day, American!

-jwcoop-

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[sparky]

We're here to watch the death throes. It's pretty entertaining.

I just searched Google News for "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" and got only 63 links to news sources, most either making fun of it or from fringe rightwing sites like NewsMax.

I did find out that one of the GOP lackeys behind this is Grant Hibbard. He's mentioned in the following editorial written recently by General Wesley Clark about the GOP attack machine and Kerry's heroism:

When John Kerry released his military records to the public last week, Americans learned a lot about Mr. Kerry's exceptional service in Vietnam. They also learned a lot about the Republican attack machine.

The evaluations were uniformly glowing. One commander wrote that Mr. Kerry ranked among ''the top few'' in three categories: initiative, cooperation and personal behavior. Another commander wrote, ''In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action, Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed.'' The citation for Mr. Kerry's Bronze Star praises his ''calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire.''

In the United States military, there's no ideology -- there are no labels, Republican or Democrat -- when superiors evaluate a man or woman's service to country. Mr. Kerry's commander for a brief time, Grant Hibbard, now a Republican, gave Mr. Kerry top marks 36 years ago.
Now the standards are those of politics, not the military. Despite his positive evaluations, Mr. Hibbard recently questioned whether Mr. Kerry deserved one of his three Purple Hearts.

In the heat of a political campaign, attacks come from all directions. That's why John Kerry's military records are so compelling; they measure the man before his critics or his supporters saw him through a political lens. These military records show that John Kerry served his country with valor, and that those who served with him and above him held him in high regard. That's honor enough for any veteran.

Yet the Republican attack machine follows a pattern we've seen before, whether the target is Senator John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 or Senator Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002. The latest manifestation of these tactics is the controversy over Mr. Kerry's medals.

John Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for his service in Vietnam. In April 1971, as part of a protest against the war, he threw some ribbons over the fence of the United States Capitol.

Republicans have tried to use this event to question his patriotism and his truthfulness, claiming he has been inconsistent in saying whether he threw away his medals or ribbons. This is no more than a political smear. After risking his life in Vietnam to save others, John Kerry earned the right to speak out against a war he believed was wrong. Make no mistake: it is that bravery these Republicans are now attacking.

Although President Bush has not engaged personally in such accusations, he has done nothing to stop others from making them. I believe those who didn't serve, or didn't show up for service, should have the decency to respect those who did serve -- often under the most dangerous conditions, with bravery and, yes, with undeniable patriotism.

[eecee]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[sparky]

I'm having too much fun watching this group tank, NNN. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

Thank God the media revealed those behind this website to be partisan hacks or the public might buy into this nonsense.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

"Tank?"

Don't count yer chickens before they're hatched, sparky.

These guys just got started. Takes time to build a network and hit the search engines.

Their truth will come out, no matter how hard you FC/DU/Kerry-drones try to cover it up.
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[sparky]

VERY doubtful that there's any truths not already revealed. Besides, one of the politicos who started this smear campaign, Grant Hibbard, was Kerry's own division commander and at the time, gave Kerry top marks 36 years ago.

That's what makes those specific commendations so compelling: it was before Hibbard saw any reason to smear Kerry and politics wasn't influencing his commendations.

[Marine's Wife]

Wishful thinking on your part Jon.
As for the pictures and videos re: Iraq.....what kind of idiot, commiting a crime,makes picts.and videos of it???
The kind of "idiot" who has had the pot sweetened with the promise of a couple of million dollars waiting when they get out of prison.People sell their soul for less every day.

Ask yourself WHO will benefit from the prison scandal. Certainly not the Whitehouse!...The rotten to the bone politicians who will do,say anything,to get what they want??? THINK about it!