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Craig
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| LewWaters wrote: | | Craig, you are getting worse by the minute. I'm still waiting for you to supply where and when you actually served. My name is recorded in the unit's roster I served with. I have no need to fabricate anything, much less my DD-214. |
If Administrator things that evidence I sent him is not good I suppose he would feel quite justified in banning me just for being a fake misrepresenting myself.
Far as I am concerned I only have to prove my credentials to the maste/owner/administrator of the place.
Hey! What do you think of this provate message I got? This sissy boy can't even threaten to do her onw work. Gonna "provide someone".
Is that not just a darling?
Is this someone who has ambition to make video of hacking someones head off?
Was not some folks just like that not got some media attention for doing just such a thing of recent?
Gonna cut off a head and then do sexually perverted things?
This guy must be a thirteen year old reatard or is one of the folks who did the atricities that some would deny happened much.
After Morto's little outburst I could wonder if he would be one to say that no one ever did such a thing and he was just talking out his ass with his childish message.
What do you think? Is Morto a stupid kid or is Morto one who could do atrocities on people? Or is Morto just a noisy(virtual) idiot - who is probably a noisy and irritating person to be around in real life.
From: Morto
To: Craig
Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 10:55 pm
Subject: Your Dead REMF
Provide an address and I will assure that someone rips you're ******* head off and pisses down your useless neck. Then he'll cut off your ******* dick and shove it up ******* ass. You are certifiably the most sub-human piece of @*$! on the face of this planet.
And listen Muthafucka, I now have the motive and I've had the means for 35 years. Just give me the opportunity and I'll burn your leftovers, pour them in a coke can and FEDEX them to Nam.
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sparky
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Show where I claimed to having served time in prison or to being a decorated war hero.
And that spitting thing was an urban myth. I don't believe the guys who say they were spit on. If you were, you should challenge the assertions of the author who conducted an exhaustive investigation but couldn't find evidence. |
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Marine4life
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Way to go morto, I knew it would be a matter of time before someone snapped on the punk. That's why he does it, to get his jollies off tormenting the very Vets that have sacrificed for him. Just chill out brother we are with you, don't bite on the MORON's bait. I have an empty coke can around somewhere. Semper Fi Bro.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you were, you should challenge the assertions of the author who conducted an exhaustive investigation but couldn't find evidence. |
Sparky, asking hundreds, out of millions that served, is hardly "exhaustive research." I saw that article a while ago and shared it with many that I served with and that served in the same Squadron as me. Each and every one laughed and mentioned the "spitting" reception they received.
For anyone from the left to now claim they were actually in support of us all along and never looked down on or mistreated any of us is pure bovine scathology, or, good old fashioned BS.
Challenging this "author" would be fruitless as he has accomplished what he wanted, to mislead others into believing they were actually treating us well. We were there and we saw and felt and heard what they had to say. When we speak about it, ones like him step and say, "prove it." How can we prove a painful memory to the lefts satisfaction? |
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sparky
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Funny thing is, the author did document instances where protesters were spit upon, including newspaper accounts.
But no newspaper accounts of protesters spitting on vets. The myth didn't begin to take off until after the war ended. I suspect it began shortly before Rambo popularized it.
| Quote: | | Lembcke uncovered a whole lot of spitting from the war years, but the published accounts always put the antiwar protester on the receiving side of a blast from a pro-Vietnam counterprotester. Surely, he contends, the news pages would have given equal treatment to a story about serviceman getting the treatment. Then why no stories in the newspaper morgues, he asks? |
You should read the article. It's fascinating what people believe.
While Lembcke doesn't prove that nobody ever expectorated on a serviceman--you can't prove a negative, after all--he reduces the claim to an urban myth. In most urban myths, the details morph slightly from telling to telling, but at least one element survives unchanged. In the tale of the spitting protester, the signature element is the location: The protester almost always ambushes the serviceman at the airport--not in a park, or at a bar, or on Main Street. Also, it's not uncommon for the insulted serviceman to have flown directly in from Vietnam. In the most dramatic telling of the spitting story, First Blood (1982), the first installment of the series about a vengeful Vietnam vet, the airport is the scene of the outrage. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, gives a speech about getting spat upon. Rambo says:
It wasn't my war. You asked me, I didn't ask you. And I did what I had to do to win. But somebody wouldn't let us win. Then I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport. Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer. ... Who are they to protest me? Huh?
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| LewWaters wrote: |
Sparky, asking hundreds, out of millions that served, is hardly "exhaustive research." |
Hell, for sparky, asking three would have served as "exhaustive research," as long as it fit his view of things.
I remember people pouring stuff off of the Golden Gate bridge onto the ships leaving and arriving at Alameda. Spit was the least of the substances thrown on our servicemen.
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Craig
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Marine4life wrote: | | Well Lew he claimed to me in another thread that he didn't serve and was not a Vet. He also claimed that he did time in about 3-4 joints here in Ca. Now he is decorated war hero like Kerry, in the Army wow it just keeps getting better and better. If he would have served he would have an RE code of -10. Let me copy my DD and draft his name on it so he will have something, That won't work either I would have to have his SSN and that could open a whole bag of worm's for him. |
Hey! I get drunk and post incoherent. - I hope you were drunk writing that.
Are you posting as Morto? You seem about same age and temperament. |
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Jeremy Eaton
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone considered |
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| Marine4life wrote: | | The psycological damage that occurs to a Veteran. Most of us were 17-18 years old when we went in. I for one am changed forever by the Corps. |
A cost of war that can be added to the tax dollar expense. I don't like the spitting thing either (if it indeed ever happened). |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Funny thing is, the author did document instances where protesters were spit upon, including newspaper accounts. |
ROFLMAO 
I read that and really had a good belly laugh. Now, through "exhaustive research," none of which was presented, we were the ones spitting on protesters.
Don't you just love revisionist history guys? Way to go leftists. |
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sparky
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Craig
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | "Compared to others, the "spitting" I received coming home was relatively minor. "
That spitting thing was an urban myth. http://slate.msn.com/id/1005224/ |
Lotta folks only knew that I was out of the Army but it seemed that it was the liberal folks attracted to me anyway. - Hippie and the like. 
I never did have a person be negative at me about my having been in the Army. Sure had a lot of folks be very rude at me for being against that war. And them Campus Crusade for Christ folks was very rude.
Well, some of them. It was actually some of the Christians - well one - a leader in their crowd - who stood for my side on an issue and won me might right to start what became the largest club on campus. - Well, we never really did anything but recruit members. All I wanted was a table in the rotunda and one had to be a campus club or military recruiter to set up a literature table in the rotunda.
None of the vets I knew who did 'nam expressed feeling spit on. But then I have not been one to hand with whiners. Most vets I know whether they agree with me political or not may well have done a little jail time had someone spit on them.
Actually I never felt so much as a Vet. Folks who did 'nam seemed as real Vets to me and someone had to talk me onto even putting in for GI Bill for Junior College. They convinced me that was one of the benefits even when there was no war.
Well, have to go read you urban myth now. I don't know how anyone could demonstrate that anyone was not spat upon. Maybe some or more than one nutcase did spit at someone, somewhere, sometime.
Hell, I don't think that the majority of people were ever anti-war. Most impressed me as just taking it in the course of things. 'The Great Silent Majority" is as they are because they don't give a rats ass for much outside their own immediate concerns.
I could introduce you to some who were against the anti-war thing back then and who now will tell you that they were against the war all along.
I certainly think that the Vietnam Vets deserved better than they got - but that concern does not extend to more than a couple or few folks posting to this forum. |
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Morto
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| Marine4life wrote: | | Way to go morto, I knew it would be a matter of time before someone snapped on the punk. That's why he does it, to get his jollies off tormenting the very Vets that have sacrificed for him. Just chill out brother we are with you, don't bite on the MORON's bait. I have an empty coke can around somewhere. Semper Fi Bro. |
Remember jug, it was a PM. I didn't snap in public, I just baited the carp in private. The Baby REMF is the one who published it. Now the rest of the crew can make nouc mam of him. OH, the poor suffering puke. He oughta go crying to his mommy. The one who sleeps under his porch!
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Buy the book, Lew, and see for yourself if "none of it is presented." It's tough to put down from what I hear. |
"From what you hear?" Hear from who?
As for me, sorry, I have my own personal memory of how I was treated on a flight from Seattle to St. Louis on my first trip home. While it wasn't literal spit, it was a figurative spitting.
I don't need some bleeding heart liberal telling me that what I experienced was a recalled memory (meaning an implanted memory) after I saw the First Blood movie (which I think did a huge disservice to veterans anyway). Right now, I am reading Rewriting History by Dick Morris, even though I don't think very highly of him either. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| LewWaters wrote: | | Right now, I am reading Rewriting History by Dick Morris, even though I don't think very highly of him either. |
Me too, on both counts! LOL!
I never thought very highly of him - but the stuff in this book is hilarious! And scary, too. God help us if she ever wins.
The HILLARY brand! It's right on, you gotta admit.
Next on my list "Misunderestimated."
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Morto
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| LewWaters wrote: | | Quote: | | Buy the book, Lew, and see for yourself if "none of it is presented." It's tough to put down from what I hear. |
"From what you hear?" Hear from who?
As for me, sorry, I have my own personal memory of how I was treated on a flight from Seattle to St. Louis on my first trip home. While it wasn't literal spit, it was a figurative spitting.
I don't need some bleeding heart liberal telling me that what I experienced was a recalled memory (meaning an implanted memory) after I saw the First Blood movie (which I think did a huge disservice to veterans anyway). Right now, I am reading Rewriting History by Dick Morris, even though I don't think very highly of him either. |
I'm not that fond of Morris either but after spending 20 years with the "Wicked Witch of the West Wing" he had a interesting perspective on Hillary. Just finished the book myself. Keep it for '08; it'll provide great debating points on the political BB's.
Jeez, did I just coin a term for the '08 republican campaign or has some said it before?
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