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Dane Lt.Jg.
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject: Kerry campaign staff response to Boorda´s Suicide |
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This past hour, I regurgitated Kerry´s own words to the "Contact us" at his site and suggested that if he felt so strongly about it, that perhaps he should do the same - given that he is running around with a Silver Star with ´V´. The following is the incredible response that I just received. One can just sense the personalized attention given to my msg!!!
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Kerry - Edwards - Stronger at Home, Respected in the World.
Visit VetsforKerry: http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/
Dear Friend,
Thank you for sending your comments and questions to John Kerry about
veterans and his tireless support for their issues. John Kerry always
appreciates hearing from fellow veterans, their families and friends.
Here is a link to John Kerry's remarks to American Legion's 86th annual
convention in Nashville, TN and to the recent Veterans of Foreign Wars
105th Annual Convention:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0901.html
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0818.html
Take a look at John Kerry's new compact with America's veterans:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/veterans/
Here is a link to John Kerry's plan for A Military Family Bill of Rights:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/veterans/milfamilies.html
Here are links to the Kerry-Edwards response to the false Swift Boat
attacks:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0819.html
http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/002516.html
Here are his Vietnam service and military records pages:
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service.html
Here are links to our veteran's pages:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/veterans/
http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/
John Kerry fully supports the National Guard and recognizes the Guard's
great service to our nation throughout its history. John Kerry said, "I
will always honor anybody who serves in the National Guard and carries out
his or her service commitment. I have met so many Americans serving in the
National Guard and Reserves in this campaign. There are many members of
the National Guard who served as I did in Vietnam, and I honor their
service."
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I´m donfused. Did he respond to my suggestion or no??
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rb325th Admiral
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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They do not read anything, they just respond with that form letter and ask for money. _________________ U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT |
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Dane Lt.Jg.
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:12 am Post subject: |
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The former is referring to his comments concerning ADM Boorda´s suicide for wearing a false award.
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RStauch Ensign
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 62
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:34 pm Post subject: TWO TOURS! |
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Did you know that the Kerry/Edwards Campaign is still claiming, "John Kerry served two tours of duty during Vietnam"? That quote is from their own official Campaign Web site, at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0819.html
This is unconscionable. How dare they lie so?
Well, there are so many lies on that page, I really hardly know where to begin, but this one is simply too much to take. Something's got to be done. _________________ Richard Stauch
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Dane Lt.Jg.
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Technically, it´s not a lie. He´s counting the short stay of GRIDLEY off the coast of Nam. I see nothing in his FitReps that indicate that they did anything of note but technically GRIDLEY qualified for two VN service awards.
Ethically, it stinks to claim that as a "Viet Nam tour". It would be more honest to call it a VN deployment. Calling it a "tour" implies to the non-mil reader that he was in-country on the ground.
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FF1047 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 222
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: Actually ... |
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The Gridley time would be considered a deployment ... in fact I believe in Navy terms even the Swift Boat time would be considered a deployment ... the Army and Marines use the idea of a Term ...
Yes its hair splitting but you can see that JFK "embellishes" everything ... _________________ JJC
USNA class of 1980 |
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RStauch Ensign
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 62
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Actually ... |
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FF1047 wrote: | The Gridley time would be considered a deployment ... in fact I believe in Navy terms even the Swift Boat time would be considered a deployment ... the Army and Marines use the idea of a Term ...
Yes its hair splitting but you can see that JFK "embellishes" everything ... |
Dane and FF1047,
Thanks for that. What I am saying is the impression that term, "two tours of duty", leaves anyone with is one of two 13-month, in-country assignments (or billets). That's not what Kerry did, at all.
For instance, I joined the Navy and went aboard the USS Oriskany to go WesPac '73-'74, which qualified me for Viet Nam-era Vet (for which I was eligible for benefits). We launched and recovered aircraft, loaded with live ammunition, even loaded and launched nukes, but I have never thought of myself as a "Viet Nam Vet."
I suppose I really am (as some here have told me), but my older brother is a real 'Nam Vet. He actually got his "Greetings" letter, went into the Army, spent two tours of duty in Viet Nam, and -- Thank God -- came home alive (our friend, SP4 Patrick Dennis Fay, a great drummer in The Tin Tares, did not). My brother was there more than 24 months, in-country, on the ground. That's what I call a Viet Nam Vet -- not me.
Kerry surely did more than I did, but he hardly has a right to call it "two tours of duty." _________________ Richard Stauch
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Dane Lt.Jg.
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I just reviewed Kerry´s Fitreps and it´s even worse than I thought. During the six month deployment, GRIDLEY was only in the Gulf o9f tonkin about 2 months on SAR duty. Not even NGFS or any air defense incidents. SAR. The rest of the deployment was spent in New Zealand and other non-combat zone activities. Hardly what I would call a "tour in Viet Nam".
And you´re correct. I wouldn´t call four months in-country a "tour of duty" either. Basically, it was a TAD!!!
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RStauch Ensign
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Dane wrote: | I just reviewed Kerry´s Fitreps and it´s even worse than I thought. During the six month deployment, GRIDLEY was only in the Gulf of Tonkin about 2 months on SAR duty. Not even NGFS or any air defense incidents. SAR. The rest of the deployment was spent in New Zealand and other non-combat zone activities. Hardly what I would call a "tour in Viet Nam".
And you´re correct. I wouldn´t call four months in-country a "tour of duty" either. Basically, it was a TAD!!! |
Thank you, Dane,
Exactly! I walked chalks and tow-bars on aircraft across the flight deck, and for that I got hazardous duty pay. Did Kerry ever qualify for that, or for combat pay while on Gridley? I think it improbable. He got 4 months of combat pay on the Swift Boats, I am sure, but that's not "two tours." _________________ Richard Stauch
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Covan MI Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Dane wrote: | Technically, it´s not a lie. He´s counting the short stay of GRIDLEY off the coast of Nam. I see nothing in his FitReps that indicate that they did anything of note but technically GRIDLEY qualified for two VN service awards.
Ethically, it stinks to claim that as a "Viet Nam tour". It would be more honest to call it a VN deployment. Calling it a "tour" implies to the non-mil reader that he was in-country on the ground.
Dane |
Who ever said Kerry was ethical! |
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TEWSPilot Admiral
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 1235 Location: Kansas (Transplanted Texan)
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: How Do the Gridley Crew Feel About Kerry? |
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I see the former XO, Mr. Kelly, who was in Kerry's chain of command aboard the U.S.S Gridley DLG/CG-21 isn't voting for John Kerry for President. A hand salute and my respects to him and to all who served with pride and honor aboard that fine ship.
"If you really want to know John Kerry, just spend 3 minutes with the men who served with him...." -- John (I didn't serve even though my draft number was 178 and I was too busy in college drinking beer and partying and smoking grass, but I like to criticize everybody else) Edwards (AKA "The Breck Girl")
U.S.S. Gridley Kerry Page _________________ Find the perfect babysitter, petsitter, or tutor -- today! |
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seabeckdon Seaman Recruit
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:57 am Post subject: VIETNAM VET |
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I have to tell all of you that I consider myself a Vietnam Vet. I served in USS TICONDEROGA for three tours 67, 68. 69, and USS ENTERPRISE in 1972. Among other duties besides being the Ship's Secetary or Administrative Officer, I was also the awards officer. All members of the ship who received medals during to 67 cruise were also awarded the combat V. Retired LDO LCDR |
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snake king Seaman Recruit
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 12 Location: Cape Coral, FL
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject: Two Tours? |
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Sorta puts John Kerry in the same (sinking) boat as Dan Rather, who used to claim that he was a "two-tour Marine" until Burkett exposed him as a Marine Boot camp dropout.
I did one tour in country with COSRON One and two deployments to the Tonkin Gulf/South China Sea aboard DEWEY and again aboard VESOLE. I am always careful to make that distinction as I have the very highest respect for those who volunteered to do a second or third Vietnam tour. |
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tford60 Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 20 Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: Did he answer? |
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Well, no he didn't, were you looking for anything streight from kerry? I would think that they are too busy covering 6 (tee cbs thing) to respond t o anything! _________________ Tom |
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Well, at least he's attempting to spin his self-aggrandizement in a more upright fashion.
Where it now says, "two tours during Vietnam," it used to say "two tours IN Vietnam." _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother |
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