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Richard
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 Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:16 am Post subject: For what it's worth, you are making a difference |
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Two reports of the weekend steeled my heart, both about John Kerry and his trip to the Wall. CNN reported that a woman called out to him, "Are you now honoring the men you spit on?".
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060104/content/john_f_kerry_stack_2.guest.html
The second is from Newsmax. The head of Veterans Against John Kerry approached the Senator while he was at the Wall. | NewsMax wrote: | Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."
At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.
Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."
Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/31/225546.shtml |
Despite being a decorated for decisive action, it appears that John Kerry doesn't know how to handle aggressiveness. Like all good SF types, Sampley showed initiative and boldness in dealing with the enemy. For that, if I were his CO, I'd give him a top eval and letter of commendation.
And, for what it is worth, I think forums like this are making a difference. The truth IS getting out to the public and I have complete faith they can make the right decision in November. As little as 20 years ago, I don't think this could have happened. With the media monopoly on news, we would have never heard these stories. No one would know about "The New Soldier". John Kerry would have been portrayed as a cross between Audie Murphy and the Pope.
Richard
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:20 am Post subject: |
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I can just imagine that if GW Bush had done this, it would be the headlines in every major media source last night. How is he going to act as the heat gets turned up closer to November? Take a punch at any who question him?
I only wish someone had gotten a picture of it for Sparky and others to cry it was photoshopped and what an Urban Myth it is, LOL. |
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mikest
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Here's John McCain's opinion of Ted Sampley.
| Quote: | Statement of Senator John McCain:
"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility.
I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley." |
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Marine4life
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Now I see why mikey supports Kerry!! Two pea's in a pod!!
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Richard
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | Here's John McCain's opinion of Ted Sampley.
| Quote: | Statement of Senator John McCain:
"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility.
I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley." |
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Mike,
As usual, the liberal response to any criticism is to smear the person and ignore the message. As with all conflict, there are two sides. I'm not defending Sampley. I'm just saying Kerry handled the situation very poorly, especially on Memorial Day. Let me criticize Sampley for creating an ugly scene for political purposes.
Let me reemphasize my point. You don't get this coverage from the main stream media. We can be thankful for the Internet and talk radio to bring us a fair sampling of events. Further, Kerry should not have "flipped Off" anyone at the Wall.
Here is the other side of the coin regarding McCain's press release:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ker_keating.htm
Richard
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LewWaters
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It wasn't who he flipped off, but the fact that he flipped anyone off. And, in front of school children.
How will he handle a confrontational press corps, shoot them all? |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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And here is where many vets part company with John McCain.
I read an account of his captivity a few years ago and it broke my heart.
But, something that hurt even worse was his active role in "putting Vietnam behind us," even though it meant betraying the POW/MIA's from Vietnam along with their families.
That committee created a smokescreen and insisted that there was nothing to the evidence, nothing to the reports, nothing to the live sightings or aerial reconnaissance photos.
They stooped to anything to discredit the evidence, even to smearing the individuals and the families of those classified POW or MIA who were most vocal about putting our government's feet to the fire on this issue.
That committee betrayed our POW/MIA's in the name of normalizing relations with the goverment of Vietnam.
What happened to John McCain as a POW was inhumanly cruel.
What he helped to do to POW/MIA's and their families was inhuman cruelty multiplied over 2100 times.
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Keith
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| LewWaters wrote: | It wasn't who he flipped off, but the fact that he flipped anyone off. And, in front of school children.
How will he handle a confrontational press corps, shoot them all? |
I confess this photo is not of Kerry flipping someone off at a press conference ... but it looked that way 
http://thinkinboutstuff.netfirms.com/fun_stuff.htm
You need to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to see the photo I'm talking about.. it's the last one.
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DougReese
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| LewWaters wrote: | I can just imagine that if GW Bush had done this, it would be the headlines in every major media source last night. How is he going to act as the heat gets turned up closer to November? Take a punch at any who question him?
I only wish someone had gotten a picture of it for Sparky and others to cry it was photoshopped and what an Urban Myth it is, LOL. |
I doubt it ever happened.
The chances are that Ted Sampley planted the story.
Think about it. Kerry was filmed the entied time he was there.
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mikest
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| DougReese wrote: | | LewWaters wrote: | I can just imagine that if GW Bush had done this, it would be the headlines in every major media source last night. How is he going to act as the heat gets turned up closer to November? Take a punch at any who question him?
I only wish someone had gotten a picture of it for Sparky and others to cry it was photoshopped and what an Urban Myth it is, LOL. |
I doubt it ever happened.
The chances are that Ted Sampley planted the story.
Think about it. Kerry was filmed the entied time he was there.
Doug |
You mean a true patriot like Sampley may be dishonest? But he hates Kerry so that isn't possible. |
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LewWaters
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LOL, and still another writes off anything that shows Kerry for the ******* he is as Urban Myth, simply because they can't handle the truth.  |
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ASPB
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| DougReese wrote: | | LewWaters wrote: | I can just imagine that if GW Bush had done this, it would be the headlines in every major media source last night. How is he going to act as the heat gets turned up closer to November? Take a punch at any who question him?
I only wish someone had gotten a picture of it for Sparky and others to cry it was photoshopped and what an Urban Myth it is, LOL. |
I doubt it ever happened.
The chances are that Ted Sampley planted the story.
Think about it. Kerry was filmed the entied time he was there.
Doug |
Why do you doubt that it even happened? Are you so blinded by ideology that you can't accept that Kerry just might be an arrogant elitist that looks down his roman nose on the plebians? Maybe it's like Abu Ghraib and you'll require photograhic evidence.
Sampley is clearly an extremist, but if you're to believe the press he's an honorable Vet just as your claim that Kerry is. How can you call Kerry's service honorable and not say the same of Sampley? Two full tours trump 4 months and 13 days in my book.
And how do you know that Kerry was filmed the entire time he was there?
I guess that's just another example of ideological faith. From what I hear most cameramen would rather film their feet than film Kerry.
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DougReese
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| LewWaters wrote: | | LOL, and still another writes off anything that shows Kerry for the ******* he is as Urban Myth, simply because they can't handle the truth. |
Give me a break. He was filmed the whole time he was there by at least one news crew. Then there's the fact that as many as several hundred people took photos. Don't you think it strange there isn't one of this alleged event?
If it was Ted Sampley, believe me, he (Sampley) would have a photo of it.
Tell you what -- I'll go down there tomorrow and ask a friend of mine who works at Sampley's booth and see what she says. Hopefully she was working that day.
Those of you who have been at The Wall in DC -- his booth (he doesn't usually work it because he doesn't live here) is one of three or four booths selling trinkets, over towards the Lincoln Memorial, adjacent to the Park Ranger's booth.
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LewWaters
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| Quote: | | He was filmed the whole time he was there by at least one news crew. |
If this were so, and the incident never happened, wouldn't the left leaning mainstream media be plastering the film all over to prove the account a lie, instead of just ignoring the story?
Let me know what network the crew was working for and I'll start a letter campaign to have them release the film.
Of course, if he is on film making such a gesture, I'll venture a guess and believe the film will be either misplaced or taped over by now. We know the honest left media would never destroy evidence of such a story, don't we?  |
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DougReese
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| ASPB wrote: |
Why do you doubt that it even happened? Are you so blinded by ideology that you can't accept that Kerry just might be an arrogant elitist that looks down his roman nose on the plebians? Maybe it's like Abu Ghraib and you'll require photograhic evidence.
Sampley is clearly an extremist, but if you're to believe the press he's an honorable Vet just as your claim that Kerry is. How can you call Kerry's service honorable and not say the same of Sampley? Two full tours trump 4 months and 13 days in my book.
And how do you know that Kerry was filmed the entire time he was there?
I guess that's just another example of ideological faith. From what I hear most cameramen would rather film their feet than film Kerry.
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No, I am not blinded by ideology. I just know Sampley.
Where did I ever say Sampley's service wasn't honorable? I have said no such thing. Get Bandit to pull up my "thousands" of posts over on the newsgroup alt.war.vietnam, some of which are between myself and Sampley. As far as that goes, between many of the guys over there and Sampley. Nowhere will you find his service being disparaged. And on that newsgroup, which has a heck of a lot of vets who feel like many of you do about Kerry, you will not find a single vet who . . . . . how do I put this . . . . a single vet who would believe anything Sampley says regarding McCain, Kerry or the POW/MIA issue.
Go over there now and you will see some comments about not believing it happened due to the source(s).
How do I know he was filmed? Because I saw some of the footage, and because there were literally close to a thousand people down there. Filmed the entire time? Yes, either by the network film crew and/or by many of the tourists.
Doug |
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