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Beatrice1000
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| Polaris wrote: | | It was listed on Kerry's site on his DD214. I would not be at all suprised if that document were "no longer available". |
It does have "Combat "V" for both the Bronze and Silver Stars on the 214N. Also, on the DD214N, at #24 where it lists all the medals, it has next to "Purple Heart (3 awards): "SEE ATTACHED SHEET" --- in the doc I printed out, there was no "attached sheet." Did anyone else get the attachments to this doc? |
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Malvern
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: Navy Challenges Kerry's Medals |
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No, you're right. It was on Newsmax. Link below.
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/2/120951.shtml
Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT
Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals
Can I tell you how much I LOVE this.
I sent the article (complete with highlights) to Matthews, Colmes, and O'Reilly, with a note that I was SURE they would apologize for calling our SwiftVets "Smear merchants."
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Malvern
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:04 pm Post subject: Newsmax link |
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Ooops. Thanks for the correction. 
Sometimes...no, often, I amaze even myself. 
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| It's up on FoxNews.com, as well. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Snipe wrote: | | So where's Hackworth on this? |
You can bet your butt that Ted Kennedy is calling in some favors right now.
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Malvern
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: Medals and Ribbons? |
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Not only did our Swifties serve 30+ years ago in Vietnam, and were underfire (unlike Kerry  ) they are serving us again, here in the US, and again they are under fire.
I'm waiting for the day that they will be vindicated, and it looks like that day may be close at hand. And like it or not, everyone will have to acknowledge that our Swifties are telling the truth and not smear mongers.
"They" may not admit it, but it will be clear that our Swifties helped save us from getting a pres. who lied under oath to the Foreign Relations Committee, and lied about his heroism, and lied or exaggerated his medals and ribbons.
Will our SwifVets and the rest of our Viet Vets finally get the ticker tape parades for heroism this time that they never got 30 years ago?
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spectrout
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Thanks for the responses concerning the pdf file. I do have an old version of Adobe Acrobat so that is more than likely my problem.
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I found this a bit interesting on Fox news yesterday (I believe it was Major Garrett...but not 100% he was the one reporting it)...
Anyway...when Admiral Boorda was going to be exposed about wearing ribbons that he was not authorized and rather be confronted Admiral Boorda committed suicide. This is what John Kerry had to say (news source was from the Boston Herald - May 18, 1996 according to Fox)
"Yes it is very wrong. Sufficient to question his leadership position? The answer is yes...also said "If you wind up being less than what you are pretending to be there is a major confrontration with value, self-esteem of how others view you".
Funny how this does not apply to John Kerry...only those whose name is not John Kerry.
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Does the DD214 show the four bronze campaign stars for his service in Vietnam that is also under investigation by the Navy? I can't find it. If it's there, would someone point out where I can find it?
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| Bhist wrote: | | Does the DD214 show the four bronze campaign stars for his service in Vietnam |
See the DD 215, correction to Form 214 (dated 3/12/01):
"Delete: Vietnam Service Medal
Add: Vietnam Service Medal with 4 bronze stars."
There are a few other things on this corr. form which I think was on his website as of last week... |
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Mucho Gracias...
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject: Kerry medal complaint reaches Navy secretary |
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Can the pressure from the veteran community and general public ensure that this investigation will be a #1 priority and be completed with its report to the public PRIOR to November 2nd??? Or will Kerry and other forces intervene to make it impossible? Since Kerry attempted to stop the publication of Unfit for Command, swift boat veteran public advertisements the Clinton/Kerry operatives will be be looking for those mundane regulations and laws to stop or slow down the investigation. However I have a high level of respect for Judical Watch which is one of the few organizations that really uses the law to protect the American public.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Medals and Ribbons? |
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| Malvern wrote: | Not only did our Swifties serve 30+ years ago in Vietnam, and were underfire (unlike Kerry ) they are serving us again, here in the US, and again they are under fire.
I'm waiting for the day that they will be vindicated, and it looks like that day may be close at hand. And like it or not, everyone will have to acknowledge that our Swifties are telling the truth and not smear mongers.
"They" may not admit it, but it will be clear that our Swifties helped save us from getting a pres. who lied under oath to the Foreign Relations Committee, and lied about his heroism, and lied or exaggerated his medals and ribbons.
Will our SwifVets and the rest of our Viet Vets finally get the ticker tape parades for heroism this time that they never got 30 years ago?
Malvern |
One can only hope. This election is akin to fighting Vietnam all over again. If the men who served "In Country" can finally get the praise and honor that they deserve then John Kerry's run for President will have served one useful function. |
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This article is on the website of British telegraph.co.uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wus05.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/05/ixworld.html
| Quote: | Pentagon to check Kerry war record
By Julian Coman in Newark, Ohio
(Filed: 05/09/2004)
In a fresh blow to John Kerry's flagging presidential campaign, the Pentagon has ordered an official investigation into the awards of the Democratic senator's five Vietnam War decorations.
News of the inquiry came as President George W Bush opened an 11-point lead over his rival - the widest margin since serious campaigning began - according to the first poll released since last week's Republican convention.
The highly unusual inquiry is to be carried out by the inspector-general's office of the United States navy, for which Sen Kerry served as a Swift Boat captain for four months in 1968, making two tours of duty.
He was wounded in action and subsequently awarded three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. But for the past month, the exact details of Mr Kerry's military service in Vietnam have become shrouded in a controversy that the navy has now decided warrants a full-blown search for the truth.
According to a self-styled group of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, many of whom served in Vietnam during the same period, Mr Kerry exaggerated the significance of combat incidents and inaccurately reported the circumstances of his injuries, at least one of which was allegedly self-inflicted. The accusations are repeated in a book, Unfit to Command, which was published last month.
Last week, the Kerry campaign attempted to leave the Vietnam debate behind, as signs appeared that the controversy was damaging Mr Kerry's standing in the polls. But to the consternation of campaign strategists, the US navy has now agreed to a request by Judicial Watch, a bi-partisan lobby group, for a full inquiry. Judicial Watch is calling for the Navy to report before the elections, but Navy officials are so far refusing to give any timetable for the inquiry.
In an August letter to the Pentagon, the group's president, Tom Fitton, requested an investigation into the "determination and final disposition of the awards granted to Lieutenant (junior grade) John Forbes Kerry, US Naval Reserve", in response to the Swift Boat Veterans' allegations.
A navy spokesman confirmed on Friday that the inspector-general's office at the Pentagon had authorised the inquiry. "It is the responsibility of all personnel to correct errors in official records," said the spokesman. Another official said privately: "There's a feeling that it's time to deal with this thoroughly, once and for all."
Among other records to be examined is a citation of Mr Kerry for bravery that was apparently signed by the former Navy Secretary, John Lehman, and contributed to the award of his silver star. The glowing citation states: "By his brave actions, bold initiative and unwavering devotion to duty, Lt Kerry reflected great credit on himself." But Mr Lehman denies all knowledge of the commendation. "It's a total mystery to me," he said last week. "I never saw it, I never signed it and I never approved it." The inquiry will also investigate other reports and citations leading to the award of Mr Kerry's medals.
On Friday, Mr Lehman endorsed the investigation of Mr Kerry's awards, saying that the relevant navy records needed to be "thoroughly researched and the facts established". Mr Fitton said: "We hope this is the beginning of an actual investigation of the legitimacy of Sen Kerry's awards by the navy and the Pentagon."
In an angry statement from the Kerry campaign headquarters, Michael Meehan, Mr Kerry's senior adviser, condemned the navy probe as an expensive waste of the Pentagon's resources.
"The facts are clear," said Mr Meehan. "The navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V and three Purple Hearts. This is a waste of taxpayers' dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime."
The inquiry comes at the end of the worst week of Mr Kerry's campaign. The poll showing an 11-point lead by President Bush, to be published in this week's Time magazine, was taken during the first three days of the Republican Convention in New York, which featured repeated direct attacks on Mr Kerry as an unreliable candidate for the role of Commander-in-Chief during the war on terror. |
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