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NavyChief
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GoodToGo
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UFC, p.36:
Rear Admiral William Schachte used call sign "Batman"
Kerry, OinC under training, used "Robin" |
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Wing Wiper
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That's correct, I've seen it multiple times. Get em Chief!  |
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gkdechow
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| I have a bad thought. If Rear Admiral William Schachte and Kerry were both in the skimmer why would Kerry need a callsigh. He wouldn't be talking on the radio. |
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Wing Wiper
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| I think "Batman" was Schachte's personal call sign for more than that mission. Let's see what the Chief comes up with. If there's a log of a message from that night between the two, he'll have proven something. I have my doubts that you'll see any Batman>Robin radio traffic in the log. Be cool, he'll let us know. |
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NavyChief
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Wing Wiper
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NavyChief
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neverforget
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| NavyChief wrote: | | gkdechow wrote: | | I have a bad thought. If Rear Admiral William Schachte and Kerry were both in the skimmer why would Kerry need a callsigh. He wouldn't be talking on the radio. |
The Boston Globe article March 2003 says, Kerry's Boston Whaler used the callsign BATMAN. If BATMAN was Schatche, then isn't that proof enough? I don't get it.
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Yeah, it is proof enough. Unless Kerry stole Admiral Schacte's call sign like he stole everybody's else's exploits. |
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Wing Wiper
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| Well, Chief, if you have the message logs from that night, and Kerry says Schachte was not on-board, who exactly was talking to who? Any messages from Robin > Batman? Any from Batman > Swift support boat? That would punch a hole in Kerry's story, if there were. |
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Becky
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Batman and Robin Callsigns |
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| NavyChief wrote: | Need info again. The swiftboats.net website is down for some reason, so I need someone who knows the callsigns:
Batman?
Robin?
2 December 68 incident.
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I'm not sure I have the page you need but here's what's listed:
Batman? Thomas Sheridan
Robin? Kelley McCutcheon
Baccardi Charlie was Schachte
Next time you go to a web site that is no longer up for whatever
reasons...type in the web address in google it will come up
with a page that has that web address and in that listing will
be a listing of a cached copy (saved copy) that you can
bring up the original page. |
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baldeagl
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NavyChief, you've been a seadog most of your life. What's the last boat you were on that had a call sign?
Call signs were for people, not things. The jet jockeys all had call signs. So did the Swiftees. But what boat had a call sign?
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Navy wife
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Navy Chief,
Here is the statement released by RADM Schachte in which he says that the call sign for the operation was Batman. Bold added by me.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document200408280010.asp
August 28, 2004, 12:10 a.m.
Purple Heart News
William Schachte speaks.
EDITOR'S NOTE:A new voice has been added to the debate over the circumstances surrounding Sen. John Kerry's first Purple Heart. William Schachte, who was a lieutenant in the Navy during Kerry's Vietnam tour — and who later rose to the rank of Rear Admiral — has released a statement describing the events of December 2-3, 1968, when Kerry received a minor shrapnel wound for which he was awarded the Purple Heart. What follows is Schachte's statement, in full. — Byron York
Statement of RADM William L. Schachte, Jr. USN (Ret.)
August 27, 2004
As was true of all "Swiftees," I volunteered to serve in Vietnam and was assigned to Coastal Division 14 for a normal tour of duty.
I was a Lieutenant serving as Operations Officer and second in command at Coastal Division 14 when Lieutenant (junior grade) John Kerry reported to us in mid-November, 1968. Lt. (jg) Kerry was an Officer-in-Charge (O-in-C) under training in preparing to be assigned as one of our Swift Boat O-in-C's.
At some point following President Johnson's announcement of the suspension of bombing in North Vietnam in March 1968, we were directed to become more aggressive in seeking to find and destroy or disrupt the enemy in our operating area. As part of this effort, I conceived a new operation that became known as "Skimmer OPS." The concept was simple. A 15-foot Boston Whaler was sent into an area where, based on coordinated intelligence, North Vietnamese cadre and Viet Cong were expected to be meeting or where, for example, concentrations of enemy forces might be involved in the movement of arms or munitions. We were to draw fire and quickly get out of the area. This would allow more concentrated firepower to be brought against the enemy forces we had been able to identify.
These operations were carried out only in "hot" areas and well away from any villages or populated areas. A Swift Boat would tow the skimmer to the general area of operations, and the ambush team would then board the skimmer and proceed to the designated area of operations. The Swift Boat would be riding shotgun and standing off, occasionally out of sight, to provide fire support and long-range communications. The Skimmer was powered by an outboard motor, and we carried an FM radio, handheld flares, an M-60 machine gun with a bipod mount, and an M-16 mounted with a starlight scope. If the night was heavily overcast, we brought an M-14 mounted with an infrared scope. We also carried an M-79 single-shot grenade launcher. In addition to our combat gear and flak jackets, we often carried .38-caliber pistols.
The operation consisted of allowing the skimmer to drift silently along shorelines or riverbanks to look or listen for sounds of enemy activity. If activity was identified, we would open fire with our automatic weapons, and if we received fire, we would depart the area as quickly as possible, leaving it to air support or mortar fire from a Swift Boat standing off at a distance to carry out an attack.
I commanded each of these Skimmer operations up to and including the one on the night in question involving Lt. (jg) Kerry. On each of these operations, I was in the skimmer manning the M-60 machine gun. I took with me one other officer and an enlisted man to operate the outboard motor. I wanted another officer because officers, when not on patrol, were briefed daily on the latest intelligence concerning our sector of operations and were therefore more familiar with the current intelligence. Additionally, at these daily briefings, officers debriefed on their patrol areas after returning to port.
On the night of December 2-3, we conducted one of these operations, and Lt. (jg) Kerry accompanied me. Our call sign for that operation was "Batman." I have no independent recollection of the identity of the enlisted man, who was operating the outboard motor. Sometime during the early morning hours, I thought I detected some movement inland. At the time we were so close to land that we could hear water lapping on the shoreline. I fired a hand-held flare, and upon it bursting and illuminating the surrounding area, I thought I saw movement. I immediately opened fire with my M-60. It jammed after a brief burst. Lt. (jg) Kerry also opened fire with his M-16 on automatic, firing in the direction of my tracers. His weapon also jammed. As I was trying to clear my weapon, I heard the distinctive sound of the M-79 being fired and turned to see Lt. (jg) Kerry holding the M-79 from which he had just launched a round. We received no return fire of any kind nor were there any muzzle flashes from the beach. I directed the outboard motor operator to clear the area.
Upon returning to base, I informed my commanding officer, Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, of the events, informing him of the details of the operation and that we had received no enemy fire. I did not file an "after action" report, as one was only required when there was hostile fire. Soon thereafter, Lt. (jg) Kerry requested that he be put in for a Purple Heart as a result of a small piece of shrapnel removed from his arm that he attributed to the just-completed mission. I advised Lt. Cmdr. Hibbard that I could not support the request because there was no hostile fire. The shrapnel must have been a fragment from the M-79 that struck Lt. (jg) Kerry, because he had fired the M-79 too close to our boat. Lt. Cmdr. Hibbard denied Lt. (jg) Kerry's request. Lt. (jg) Kerry detached our division a few days later to be reassigned to another division. I departed Vietnam approximately three weeks later, and Lt. Cmdr. Hibbard followed shortly thereafter. It was not until years later that I was surprised to learn that Lt. (jg) Kerry had been awarded a Purple Heart for this night.
I did not see Lt. (jg) Kerry in person again for almost 20 years. Sometime in 1988, while I was on Capitol Hill, I ran into him in the basement of the Russell Senate Office Building. I was at that time a Rear Admiral and in uniform. He was about 20 paces away, waiting to catch the underground subway. In a fairly loud voice I called out to him, "Hey, John." He turned, looked at me, came over and said, "Batman!" We exchanged pleasantries for a few minutes, agreed to have lunch sometime in the future, and parted ways. We have not been together since that day.
In March of this year, I was contacted by one of my former swift boat colleagues concerning Douglas Brinkley¹s book about Senator Kerry, "Tour of Duty." I told him that I had not read it. He faxed me a copy of the pages relating to the action on the night of December 2-3, 1968. I was astonished by Senator Kerry¹s rendition of the facts of that night. Notably, Lt. (jg) Kerry had himself in charge of the operation, and I was not mentioned at all. He also claimed that he was wounded by hostile fire.
None of this is accurate. I know, because I was not only in the boat, but I was in command of the mission. He was never more than several feet away from me at anytime during the operation that night. It is inconceivable that any commanding officer would put an officer in training, who had been in country only a couple of weeks, in charge of such an ambush operation. Had there been enemy action that night, there would have been an after action report filed, which I would have been responsible for filing.
I have avoided talking to media about this issue for months. But, because of the recent media attention, I felt I had to step up to recount my personal experiences concerning this incident.
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