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Curmudgeon · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:51 am Post subject:

Unfortunately, Gardner was not on that boat that day when Kerry "won" the Bronze Star.

Wescoot2 · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: A more sensitive approach

Kerry testified before the Senate committe about ALL the atroscities that we as Vietnam Veterans committed while in country, and having met Many vietnamese here in the United States, who are very greatful for our efforts......my thinking is as follows......

Kerry, words being flashed upon the screen, as he sits before the Senate Committe........listing all of the atroscities that we were supposed to be committing........and at the same time........Vietnamese civilians now located in the United States.....Thanking the vietnam Vets for their service to them as a greatful people......
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Frink · Seaman Recruit Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1

I would agree that an ad emphasizing that Kerry has admitted to having commited war crimes. Not what I think most would consider presidential material.

Also, an idea that the swiftvets may want to approach is an ad highlighting the ways in which they're currently being targeted by kerry and his surrogates. The attempts to silence them when they've earned the right more than anyone to have their voices heard. This both serves the purpose of showing how kerry is attempting to hide from the truth while also showing how he continues to treat those who have served this country.

jillym · Seaman Recruit Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 1

Since Kerry now has the "Fear and Smear" ads going against the Bush campaign, I am afraid some independent voters may lean back towards Kerry so I think we need the SBVT need to have an ad regarding this stating they are not doing this for BUSH but for them and then have some of the swifties comment on who they voted for in the past; ie Gore, Clinton, etc.

vickie · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

Rolling down the screen:
2nd L jg Kerry please tell the truth:

You have called us liars. No, not you personally, but you have sent your operatives to do your dirty work.

They were not there. We were there. You were there. Now is the time for the Truth.

Speak it and back it up by releasing ALL your records and your journal?

We are not going away.
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scorch · Seaman Recruit Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 7

This may be an exercise in bookeeping, but how about listing the combined military service and medal counts of the swift boat vets in implicit contrast with that of Kerry and those vets on his side.

i.e. The Swift Boat Vets have a combined total of 289 years of military service, 35 of them in Vietnam. They have 27 Silver Stars, 49 Bronze Stars, etc. These men have earned the right to be heard...

And then get on with whatever message you want to have in the spot!

Mark · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:34 pm Post subject:

A GREAT fifth ad would juxtapose Kerry's tossing his US medals and his having been recognized by the DRV (Giap's statment, picture in their museum and the medal I read he was awarded by them). Exclamation

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rm3friskerFTN · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject:

The creativity of the ads are declining.

And I thought "Gunner" was the worst of them ... I am tempted to claim the blogosphere will agree.

#1 - Sellout - BEST - Five Stars<br>
#2 - Any Questions<br>
#3 - Gunner<br>
#4 - Medals<br>

The "Medals" ad in focuses on minutia ... I can hear them say it now "well once again the swifites are wrong as they were someone elses ribbons well actually medals" ... as a veteran I don't see how either the general public or other veterans will latch on to this

How about Kerry claiming there will be no "Bloodbath" followed by footage of boat people, piles of skulls, with voice over by Vietnamese-American woman providing the audible for the skull piles & boat people???

How about "Christmas in Cambodia" to the tune of I'm dreaming of a white christmas (maybe jingle bells sounds better but I digress)

How about cataloging "Swiftee Success" thus far:
1) Cambodia retraction
2) First Purple Heart retraction
3) No man left behind retraction
... via comparison ... Kerry CAMPAIGN says .... Swiftees Say ... ending with Kerry silent ... ask for Kerry to sign the Form 180

Maereta · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject: another ad idea

John Kerry and his campaign demand that he be recognized as a war hero........

Swiftboat Veterans for Truth would like to tell the nation:
John Kerry IS a war hero!

In Saigon, in the Vietnamese Communist Remnant War Museum is a room dedicated to those who advanced the cause of the North Vietnamese. A framed picture of John Kerry hangs on the wall along with a citation honoring his service.

John Kerry IS a war hero....... but not for OUR side.

Maggie1 · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:13 pm Post subject:

Have some kids working on a research paper that will point out "in Kerry's own words"

1. His request for a deferment
2. His enlistment in the Naval Reserves with details about being activated
3. His tour on the Gridley "in Vietnam"
4. His reasons for requesting Swift Boat duty
5 Getting home asap
6 How he got to be an admiral's aide
8. His request for an early out

I get so tired of hearing all these glowing statements that do not reflect the truth!
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lrhachat · Seaman Recruit Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 5

The swift boats always worked in groups, 3 or better, just like combat partrols, there is always a back up, but with the swift boats they were closer, like 50 feet or less. We could all come up with ads we would like to put to the public, but I think the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are doing a great job, as they are going after the true facts, not just what we think or would like others to think about Kerry.
His medals are up for question, but his actions against his fellow saliors, and soldiers, not just this nation, but other nations is open for full debate. He betrayed all soldiers of all nations with his statement at the committie hearings.
As his picture in Vietanm as a hero, I would like to see proof of that. Now that would make a great ad, but I don't think that is true.
We all have the choice to server our country as we see fit. I joined in the Army after JFK was shot, I helped a young just married soldier get out of going to Vietnam who was in my unit. Do I hold it against him because he got married because he didn't want to go. No. It was his decision. I went to Vietnam Jan 66 and came home in Dec 66 and seperated. I later enlisted in 72 and retired 20 years later, but I can say I did not protest, my fellow soldiers and cause the death of 1,5000,000 men, women and chlidren in Vietnam and Cambodia as his statements help lead demonstration against the war in Vietnam, which ending up of us leaving and the death of inoccents.

Maereta · Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:12 am Post subject: Picture in Vietnam

In reply to:

As his picture in Vietanm as a hero, I would like to see proof of that. Now that would make a great ad, but I don't think that is true.

I found this information at www.Wintersoldier.com. Has it been disproved or discredited? I think it is powerful evidence of the true role JK served during the war.

igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

Band of Brothers Lie

1. "Remember at the convention..."
b/w image of Kerry and Rassmann at convention with text "No Man Left Behind" below and LIE superimposed in big red letters all across the screen, with sound "all the boats left and Kerry was the only one that came back to save Rassmann".

2. "Why are are you lying?"

3. Have some quote from eyewitnesses there about what happened, like
"my boat was mined"
"all the other boats stayed to help PCF-3, except Kerry"
"I was 15 feet from picking up Rassmann"

4. Even one of Kerry's "Band of Brothers" acknowledges this. Show a quote or sound of Mr. Sandusky acknowledging this with a picture of Kerry shaking hands with Mr. Sandusky at the convention.

5. "America deserves the truth". Challenge him to sign Form-180.

scorch · Seaman Recruit Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 7

This is the info I was trying to find when I started this thread

I found the quote and commentary here: http://hughhewitt.com/#postid855

Now if we only had a tape of Kerry saying what is in bold below it would make an awesome ad.