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snowy251 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 11

I really enjoyed Zell Millers speech. It was the first time I heard John Kerrys Senate record. At least some of it. Very Happy

Rurik · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:12 am Post subject:

The loud roaring we heard was the te sound of all the wind rushing at gale fouce out fo the Kerry balloon.
Before Miller's speach, Kerry might have hoped to get within stealing distance. Not any more.
Thanks to the Swiftees and Zell Miller, this election is going to be a blowout of Dukakisian dimensions.

Than you, Zell; thank you twice over, Swiftees.
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susanlprince · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:50 am Post subject:

I was fired up listening to Zell...but....

There's always a but....

http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/030101jjdinner.htm

does raise questions. Then again, it was pre 911 and that changed a lot of people's thinking on a lot of things.

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Tom Daschle is behind THUNE in the pools. Time to open your wallet to
get rid of Daschle. It is a doable deal. All it takes is some finacial help. Be sure to send money to The swiftvets. Till next time, I am on America's side. Laughing

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LewWaters · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:01 am Post subject:

Susan, as Zell explained, he supported many Democrat candidates, until he was appointed to the Senate and got there and saw the depth of liberalism going on. Even as a Democrat, he's from the Old South and very much a Conservative.

Besides, if it's so acceptable for Kerry to "grow" and see things differently, defined as flip-flop, why not Zell Miller also?

Miller is tough and can deflect any criticism coming his way. He expects it.
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joe_madeup · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 92

9-11 changed some people's ideology. I'm one. For all I know, Zell could be another.

I'm curious to see how many voters 9-11 has changed...we'll see in November. I hope the Dems overcome their tinfoil hat brigade (Moore-Dean-Gore) when this is all over.

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susanlprince · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:45 am Post subject:

arymann · PO3 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 269 Location: GA

Zell Miller has said that he introduced JFK based on the bio information that was provided to him. After his speech at the GOP convention, he walked around with two pages, front and back, of Kerry's voting record. Zell had all his ducks in a row and had references to back up everything he said about Kerry because he knew the media and Kerry Kamp would be coming at him. Zell made it quite clear that he had done his homework, and, based on that info, NO, Kerry did NOT strengthen and support the military.

Zell is a 72-year-old man who has seen the light. Anybody doing a little homework can size JFK up for what he is. Zell Miller has more character and integrity than JFK will ever have, and he knows that the future of our country depends on this election.

A lot of things don't matter anymore when there are creatures out there who want to kill US just because we are US! This country is in peril, and it's no time to have a wishy-washy flip-flopper, who makes up his own truth, in the White House.

Wake up World, and don't forget September 11.

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joe_madeup · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 92

JFK has survived all this time by getting people to ASSUME he is a good guy and to not give him any real scrutiny, because he is a vet with 5 medals.

For years, we have given him automatic credit because of his medals. There must have been some heroism in there somewhere, right? (was our thinking) Maybe someone could ding 1 of his medals but surely not all.

It is a huge shock to read "Unfit for Command" and realize that yes, ALL of JFK's medals were flawed or questionable in some way. JFK has been clever. Only extreme scrutiny - the kind you don't do until someone is going to be President - could expose him.

Even then, we barely made it. If Mr. O'Neill and Adm. Hoffman were not around to put all of the info together, we'd be screwed - JFK would still be what he is (an empty, possibly unbalanced man), but he'd be running without having been exposed. A big leg up.

The general "credit" that most of us gave JFK because of his medals also kept a lot of us from scrutinizing his Defense voting record. Some folks were more alert here all along, but for many of us - how could JFK's criticisms of (or votes against) military spending not be valid on some level, since the guy has 5 medals and "must" be pro-American?

Now, if you picture Zell Miller in early 2001, or anyone else in the Senate for that matter: They're in the same party together (both Democrats)...and courtesy among politicians and giving each other credit is the rule...especially when they are in the same party and both seem to be genuinely pro-American. Kerry's medals providing cover for him again. Miller was, frankly, deceived.

Only in 2004 have we put together all of the details -- the War on Terror needing a strong defense, the many serious discrepancies in the eyewitness testimony around Kerry's medals, Kerry's consistent anti-Defense votes over the years and other positions helpful to Communists, Kerry's horrible slanders of Vietnam veterans in 1971 (which I did not know about until this year) -- to recognize Kerry for what he is: an empty man who creates fables about himself, deeply offends military people (and never apologizes), and has awful judgment on defense & foreign policy.

Some would also add that he is anti-American in his deepest instincts - but mainstream politicians still can't say that part, at least not without getting nailed by the MSM. Even Zell still says "I question his judgment, not his patriotism".