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MJB · LCDR Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 425

No gloating - it's a long 8 weeks until election day.

As I noted in a reply to another post, if you read any of the MSM articles about Kerry and the Swifties' claims, you'll find a variation of the following sentence...

...and their claims have been investigated and found to be false....

I've seen this several times in my local paper, and in stories I read online. Don't think they're done, or they've gone down without a fight.

MJB

LewWaters · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject:

MJB, what else would we expect from the leftstream media? Laughing

They'll report with their extreme spin on things and try to sway public opinion, again. This fight is far from over.
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Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

Excellent point...and highlights another aspect of this effort. Open minds are already re-examining and re-considering initial opinions they may have reached. However, in the "intellectual" community, positions that have been staked early on may easily lead to intellectual intransigence as changing that position involves an admission of fallibility of thought, not high on the "intellectual" list of priorities.

Thinker · Seaman Recruit Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 33

While I agree with your statement that we should not gloat....I think a sound discussion about who should replace Kerry is great ammo for getting alot of people talking about it.....hint hint hint......just like the SBVT took awhile before the MSM picked it up s.......

Anyway, we all know the MSM is not interested in the truth. I think deep inside they agree with the SBVT but their yearnging for a Democrat in the White House will not allow them to be honest.

diane in IL · Lt.Jg. Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 102

With all due respect, I really don't like the subject line of this thread. It still befuddles me how anyone, including the MSM, can make a claim that the SBV's are "lying". For goodness sake, the content of their last few adds has been nothing but John Kerry's own voice and his own image. How can you say they are "lying", unless you don't believe your own eyes and ears.

diane in IL

producehawk · PO1 Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 463

They are still printing the old stand by that no one from his boat is a member of the swiftvets. Hard to believe. The lying is not coming from the swiftys. I know it is getting bad FOR THE LEFT though, today they did a big write up about abu graib. sheesh. They were relating it to Mie lie (sorry about spelling) and Lt. cali. Talk about not getting it , here we have these scum bags killing school kids and the libs are still worried about our guys putting panties on the prisoners heads. sheesh

roughfun · Lt.Jg. Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 105 Location: California

The sad truth is the MSN don't care if he lied. They want their man in. Cable TV and the internet has them all screwed up. The editor of the NYT admitted they only covered it because Fox made it such a big story. He said he didn'nt consider the SwiftVets NEWSWORTHY. Perfect mentality for a journalist. The MSN is losing power and their boy is going down in flame. Ever see a cornered animal lash out? Just hold on.

EricaC · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:32 pm Post subject:

It amazes me that people could even consider that 200 some odd men could all be lying while just 12 are not..

We are talking about Corpsman and Admirals and the like. I think it is unfair that anyone would try to smear these men...
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rhv5862 · PO2 Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 379 Location: Massachusetts

The MSM wants a Dem to be in the White House. It would not matter who the Dems put up. It could have been Dean, Edwards or any of the others besides Kerry and MSM would have backed them. They just want Bush out. Thay could care less about Kerry's lis. They believe in the old saying that if you repeat a lie long enough people will accept it as truth. They (MSM) cannot accept the fact that there are now other sources of news and they are unable to handle it.

RHV

Beatrice1000 · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Gloat

rhv5862 · PO2 Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 379 Location: Massachusetts

The MSM knows the truth but won't print it. They know if they do it will destroy Kerry. Their objective is to get him elected. If they have to sacrifice the truth to reach that objective in their minds so be it.
The truth has a way of coming out. It has taken 35 years but it is coming out thanks to SBVT.

RHV

Jack Mclaughlin · PO3 Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 280

The Press knows as much as we know about Kerry. They understand very well you don`t get 3 p.h. in 3 months withou shedding much blood, no loss of duty time, no hospital time. They also know that it is impossible to be under sustained attack from small arms fire and mortar rounds from both river banks without one hit on 5 big boats and approx. 60 men ( 30 crew members and 30 special forces guys ) none of whom were injured by enemy fire. There is a massive cover-up underway. It is that simple.

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debewley · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject:

I think that even if the MSM weren't biased they would have a very difficult time properly analyzing these competing claims. Very few in the MSM have any real experience in the military and don't understand the terminology involved.

For example, when I read that Kerry had a minor shrapnel wound in the 1st PH incident where he had fired an M-79 I knew right away what had happened. I'd once mis-fired an M-79 myself and although I wasn't wounded the area was sprayed with shrapnel. I seriously doubt whether anyone in the MSM has had a similar experience and has no real frame of reference to evaluate these opposing claims.
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