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3rd gen Navy
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Joined: 03 Sep 2004
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Location: Gainesville, Fl.
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 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:57 pm Post subject: BS "Veterans for Kerry" group... |
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=6&u=/nm/20040904/pl_nm/campaign_kerry_dc
Apologies for the long link... click to see the prominently displayed "Veterans for Kerry" placard...
I have my doubts as to whether or not there's a real veteran at the other end...probably just another fighter pilot wounded in the 'Nam...  Kerry seems to attract those...
A little "googling" on "Veterans for Kerry" reveals that the "organization", like his military record, etc...was orchestrated by Kerry, for Kerry...
http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/
"See?" "There are Veterans that support me....those Swifties are just Bush funded attack dogs, who don't know a real war hero when they see one..."
BTW this group was created back in JUNE...Kerry knew he was going to get flack back then....gee, wonder why, other than this coyly placed sign, we haven't heard from them?
Hey JFK, where are your "one million" ready and eager to dispute the Swifties' versions of events? (are you keeping them busy teaching you when, where, and how to salute?)
Kerry's campaign...what an insult to the intelligence of the American people...and the honor of our fighting men and women...
In a way though, I'm glad the DNC didn't pick Leiberman or Dean... this much needed national catharsis might have never taken place...
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BS Biology, Business Administration, Nursing
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Chuck Z Ombie AC2000
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Joined: 19 Aug 2004
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Location: Northern New Jersey
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| Quote: | After a slow initial response, Kerry is fighting back fiercely against ads run by a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that accuse him of lying about his Navy record in Vietnam and attack comments he made later as a leader of the anti-war movement.
Kerry received three Purple Hearts for wounds and a Silver and Bronze star for bravery in Vietnam. U.S. Navy (news - web sites) records support his version of events.
He declared he would not stand by and have his credentials as commander in chief questioned by Bush and Cheney, who did not serve in Vietnam. The Democratic mayor of Akron, Don Plusquellic, went a step further and accused the president of "hiding in the woods" while Kerry served his country.
"The simple truth is John Kerry was in Vietnam and George Bush (news - web sites) wasn't," Plusquellic told the crowd in Ohio, a critical battleground state. "It's as simple as that. George Bush was hiding in the woods in Alabama when John Kerry was defending our country."
Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. At one point he transferred to the Alabama National Guard but critics say he dodged some of his service there.
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How is attacking GW Bush going to refute what the swiftvets have been saying?
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You GottaBeKidding
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Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, I believe that Bush was in Alabama while Kerry was being the traitor. Bush was flying airplanes while Kerry was in Vietnam. These people don't care about facts! |
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producehawk
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't even get through a paragraph of their BS. |
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rhv5862
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Location: Massachusetts
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject: Veterans for Kerry |
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What all the Dems forget to mention is Kerry Enlisted in the Inactive Naval Reserve not the Active Navy after his request for a deferment was turned down. He then had the misfortune to get called to active duty. The reason he asked for swift boat duty was because they had very little to do with the war or combat. This is what he told the Boston Globe in I believe 1986. When he got Swift Boats he was shocked to find out their mission had changed.
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Beatrice1000
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Joined: 10 Aug 2004
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Location: Minneapolis, MN
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: BS "Veterans for Kerry" group... |
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| 3rd gen Navy wrote: | | ..I have my doubts as to whether or not there's a real veteran at the other end.... |
There probably is, unfortunately. If you look further on his site he lists veterans in all the states organizing to back him -- they are working like crazy to go after the Swiftees -- just read some of their "letters to the editor" in your local newspapers ... at least they sign themselves as members of the military. The thing we don't know is the actual numbers he has. If they are more vocal than those who support the SBVFT, they will seem to be more than they are. And so it goes....
From personal experience, I have found a couple of vets to be extremely angry at me for even mentioning the SBVFT much less the name John O'Neill. I asked if they knew anything about the Swifts and they said they didn't need to know because Kerry had to replace Bush in the whitehouse and they were standing with him. I asked if they would at least watch the May Press Conf. to see these men as individuals and listen to them for a little while at least as they are fellow veterans after all. I got a snarl and a wave of the hand.....
I think you have people, veterans included, who want Bush out no matter what and are going strictly for the party at this time. I wonder if any of you (I'm a civilian) belonging to your local veteran groups have had any conflicts/conversations in this regard with vet Kerry supporters? And if so, have you also run up against a brick wall, or do they listen to you -- have you gotten any of them to change their minds? |
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rhv5862
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:55 pm Post subject: Veterans for Kerry |
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I have spoken to a few veteran friends of mine and they don't even want to hear about SBVT. It does not matter that Kerry has lied. They want Bush out of the White House and that is all that matters. My reply to them is they are willing to give up their integrity and honor for a man who cares nothing about them. No answer from them but again I live in Massachusetts.
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Indianbaboon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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a couple of my vet acquaintances simply say "DO NOT DENIGRATE A VET"S SERVICE YOU CIVILIAN"
they actually tihnk Kerry, then and now, is a soldier's advocate, drives me nuts. |
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3rd gen Navy
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Location: Gainesville, Fl.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: Honor, Courage, Commitment, Intregrity |
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Dear Beatrice and rhv5862,
I have further examined the Kerry website...thanks for letting me know that there is much more work to be done. As a FLORIDA resident, and 8+ year, 3rd generation Naval veteran, I need to be bombarding the Op-Ed pages of my local newspapers....
You have given me a very sad reminder that our national education system and various military indoctrination camps (Boot, NROTC, OCS, service academies,etc...) all too often fail to instill the intellectual rigor and critical thinking skills that obviate so many of Kerry's alleged accomplishments and talking points. I can only hope that Kerry does us all a favor and prompts the future selection of candidates on ALL sides whose records can stand the light of logic and integrity.
As for Honor, Courage, Commitment, Intregrity, Keeping Faith with one's brothers in arms...Defending against all enemies foreign and domestic...
Each of these things means something different to each one of us...Given MY interpretations of the above, it becomes very difficult for me to logically fathom or personally respect a Kerry supporting vet's opinions...
However, I MUST respect their right to those opinions...as distasteful and unpatriotic as I find them...
I have deliberately refrained from joining the AL or VFW, precisely because both organizations are apolitical...while I am a firm believer in the old adage that gentlemen discuss neither religion or politics...
Until Kerry is buried and held up to the public scorn he so richly deserves,
THIS ISN'T POLITICS, IT'S PERSONAL!!!
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Warm Regards,
Sean G. Smith,
RN, BSN, EMT-B, U.S. Navy, 1994 - 2003.
BS Biology, Business Administration, Nursing
The Deal with Life: Make decisions based on what you might gain, not on what you may lose.
!!!!!! LET THE WILD RUMPUS BEGIN !!!!!! |
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ASPB
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Ask them about denigrating the service of 2.5 million veterans in 1970-72! Send them here and to www.wintersoldier.com
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WalterW
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Joined: 29 Aug 2004
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: BS "Veterans for Kerry" group... |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | | 3rd gen Navy wrote: | | ..I have my doubts as to whether or not there's a real veteran at the other end.... |
There probably is, unfortunately. If you look further on his site he lists veterans in all the states organizing to back him -- they are working like crazy to go after the Swiftees -- just read some of their "letters to the editor" in your local newspapers ... at least they sign themselves as members of the military. The thing we don't know is the actual numbers he has. If they are more vocal than those who support the SBVFT, they will seem to be more than they are. And so it goes....
From personal experience, I have found a couple of vets to be extremely angry at me for even mentioning the SBVFT much less the name John O'Neill. I asked if they knew anything about the Swifts and they said they didn't need to know because Kerry had to replace Bush in the whitehouse and they were standing with him. I asked if they would at least watch the May Press Conf. to see these men as individuals and listen to them for a little while at least as they are fellow veterans after all. I got a snarl and a wave of the hand.....
I think you have people, veterans included, who want Bush out no matter what and are going strictly for the party at this time. I wonder if any of you (I'm a civilian) belonging to your local veteran groups have had any conflicts/conversations in this regard with vet Kerry supporters? And if so, have you also run up against a brick wall, or do they listen to you -- have you gotten any of them to change their minds? |
Kerry has hired several, including Rassmann, to work on his campaign. Those "veterans" are being paid by Kerry.
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"We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways." John F. Kerry, February, 1992 |
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Indianbaboon
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| ASPB, they read it, and insist Kerry was just trying to get them out of a bad situation. I don't get it either, but they'res ooo recalcitrant on that point. |
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rhv5862
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:06 am Post subject: Veterans |
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3rd gen navy, your right this "isn't politics, its personal". Honor and Integrity appear to be concepts John Kerry does not understand. It he did we would not be reliving his words from 1971.
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3rd gen Navy
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Joined: 03 Sep 2004
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Location: Gainesville, Fl.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:10 am Post subject: Score Card |
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Major Pro Kerry Veteran Groups =1
Pro Kerry Veteran Groups created without help from Kerry = 0
Independent Anti Kerry Veteran Groups = 5 and counting...
VAK
VVAJK
SBVT
SFVAK
POW/MIA Families Against Kerry...
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Warm Regards,
Sean G. Smith,
RN, BSN, EMT-B, U.S. Navy, 1994 - 2003.
BS Biology, Business Administration, Nursing
The Deal with Life: Make decisions based on what you might gain, not on what you may lose.
!!!!!! LET THE WILD RUMPUS BEGIN !!!!!! |
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Beatrice1000
Resource Specialist
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Honor, Courage, Commitment, Intregrity |
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| 3rd gen Navy wrote: | | ...As a FLORIDA resident, and 8+ year, 3rd generation Naval veteran, I need to be bombarding the Op-Ed pages of my local newspapers.... |
You got it, Sean! Be ready for your paper's bias and take them to task if they don't print your letter! |
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